Unpacking the Hart/Serrano Press Conference

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DH: "Dave Serrano is good for this community in Dave Hart's opinion."

Nothing like speaking in third person, I called the wife in for that one.


Jimmy Hyams: "Is there a concern with giving him one year, the impact it might have on recruiting?"

DH: "No, and I've answered that question for many, many years. I think that is over sold. There was a time, when with the exception of football and basketball coaches, every coach had a one year contract. So no, I don't have that concern and...and...I think you'll hear from Dave that he doesn't either."

LOL! Ya think? Is that foreshadowing or intimidation? I kid. :p

Yeah, I suppose there was a time when coaches had little leverage and were satisfied with one year deals...but it probably isn't in the television contract era and it sure wasn't the case for the head baseball coach at FSU or Alabama during his tenures at those schools.

But he's going to contradict this statement anyway.



DH: "As a matter of fact, recruiting doesn't just happen in one year segments. What Dave and his staff have been doing the last two to three years, they know exactly who we're trying to sign this year. It's not an instantaneous two month process it's a two or three year process."

So much goodness in this one I don't even know where to start. He emphasizes it's a two to three year recruiting process while justifying a one year deal...for a second consecutive year. Of course they know who they are trying to sign this year, they've already signed! Half the class committed in the summer of 2014, the rest committed in 2015 and the 2016 class signed LOI's in November of 2015.

We have 6 kids committed for 2017, Vandy has 18, UF 13, SC 15. In fact we are last in the SEC East right now, if only by a few to Missouri, Georgia and Kentucky.

But to cap it all off and crystalize the strategy...



CDS: "We gotta continue to hit the road recruiting. As soon as I'm done here I'm going to meet with my staff, then we're all three going to hit the road.

We had to hold off until we knew exactly what was happening but we'll be pretty busy over the next couple of weeks and as my coaching staff will hear we will not look into '18 and '19 and beyond."

Hold off why? Because you didn't want to be out on the road recruiting '17, '18 kids when you didn't know if you were going to have a job?

Won't look into "18 and '19 and beyond because you don't know what the future holds?



CDS continues: "We are going to assemble next year's team and have guys in place, deal with our recruits, all the recruits, we're really excited about this recruiting class, we've gotta retain them, we've gotta get them on campus. So we're gonna have to do home visits with them we're going to educate them on why we think coming to school is a big thing, a right thing in most situations."

All in next year, I get it...he can't afford to worry about two years from now because he's forced to only care about winning next year.

This is how you build a baseball program with one year contracts. Ya'll buy it?



Second best quote, as Dave Hart finishes the Q&A...

DH: "Thank you men."

:eek:lol:



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Thanks for your insights 66! Reading between the lines, I get your skepticism, yet YOU keep a cooler head as Vols fans around us gnash teeth. Pitching & speed in this league, but other factors also strong! TALENT is abundant in the top echelon, but I am encouraged to see teams like MSU & USCe leap in the standings. Championship game today between A&M-FL should be interesting, though fanbases from the two schools less numerous. Have enjoyed another interesting week in Hoover! :hi:
 
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It just goes to show that baseball does not seem to be on DH's to do list. 7 of the top 10 teams are in the SEC but he doesn't see it as important to try to compete.
 
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Nah, don't buy any of it. You know what it is...Hartspeak...one year for what...accomplishes nothing...buh, bye, Dave Hart, we never really wanted to know ya'...:)
Speaking of recruiting...Ole Miss had four or five ballplayers from Southhaven, MS, on their team. Southhaven is a suburb of Memphis, annexed years ago. Also, saw one from Collierville...and, they're right in our own backyard. It seems the coaches should spend some time in West Tennessee because many other teams are. Look, I wish Coach Serrano and staff the best. I want them to succeed, just like many on here. Many on here tried to bring whatever magic and mojo they had and cheered for this team...down to the wire...yep, and, I'll do it again...didn't say I was the sharpest tool in the shed. Just think sweet thoughts...:), be patient for the changes, and happy Memorial Day!

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Good post, vol66.

I see so many defenders of Bama Dave. All I see is wreckage other than the Jones/Barnes hires that he lucked into. It appears he may be gone in a year. So if he had the best interests of UT baseball in my mind along with the rest of the administration and BOT they would have extended CDS for the 2-3 years he needed. What did they have to lose? It would not get worse than it is and it could actually help. Instead he kicks the can down the road.

I sincerely doubt there are quality HC's standing in line for the UT job with Hart as the AD and nothing new at LNS in 6 years. CDS needed to regroup and start again, which began this past season. Another doofus move by Hart IMO.
 
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Thanks for your insights 66! Reading between the lines, I get your skepticism, yet YOU keep a cooler head as Vols fans around us gnash teeth. Pitching & speed in this league, but other factors also strong! TALENT is abundant in the top echelon, but I am encouraged to see teams like MSU & USCe leap in the standings. Championship game today between A&M-FL should be interesting, though fanbases from the two schools less numerous. Have enjoyed another interesting week in Hoover! :hi:

As for me I've seen some damn good ball played by some top teams in the nation...enjoyed it very much...now, when are we gonna stay the week...:)...and, as, always...

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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set BB back another 3-5 years, CDS struggled to recruit anyhow, now a 1 year extension does nothing for him. and get out of Knoxville and recruit, tons of talent in mid tn and he gets none of it. 450K annually and done nothing to progress the program.
 
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Damn 66 and posters here give me a hard time for picking apart things so minutely.


Let me play devils advocate with what's happened.

What if Dave hart reached out to a few candidates(like VQ reported), and was told by his top choice this year isn't the time but next year might be?

What would you have preferred Hart do if that was the case?


For instance what if cliff Godwin was harts choice and his response was I have only been at my alma mater for 2 years and owe it to them to be there at least 3 years before looking elsewhere

Thoughts?
 
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Damn 66 and posters here give me a hard time for picking apart things so minutely.


Let me play devils advocate with what's happened.

What if Dave hart reached out to a few candidates(like VQ reported), and was told by his top choice this year isn't the time but next year might be?

What would you have preferred Hart do if that was the case?


For instance what if cliff Godwin was harts choice and his response was I have only been at my alma mater for 2 years and owe it to them to be there at least 3 years before looking elsewhere

Thoughts?

I think it's more likely he reached out to key boosters and found complete apathy and unwilliness to spend more on baseball.
 
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I think it's more likely he reached out to key boosters and found complete apathy and unwilliness to spend more on baseball.

If that was the case i don't think that would explain what happened. There would have been no buyout and IMO whomever the new hire would have been we could have paid then less than CDS. Jmo
 
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The guys CDS has in place barely played .500 ball, our best players are graduating so next year may be worse. Seven other SEC schools have the recruiting thing figured out, question is why hasn't Serrano figured it out. :dunno:
 
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If that was the case i don't think that would explain what happened. There would have been no buyout and IMO whomever the new hire would have been we could have paid then less than CDS. Jmo

If Hart thought that changing coaches, without other changes, would bring the same results, it would explain a lot if there is no support for the other changes.
 
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while the AD is not really broke right now, it is still on life support. I don't think it will happen, but what if butch falls flat, and needs to be fired. it would take almost everything the AD has to pay buyouts, and hire a new Coach and staff. Also alot of people want Holly gone, and that's another big bill. In a years time (if the AD doesn't have any really large Bills) the AD will probably be in alot better situation financially. Baseball is not a top priority.

Maybe Deerpark can chime in with the available funds the AD has because I could be completely wrong on how much money is available. I remember a report a few months back that said we had about 13 million saved. Still dead last by a long ways in the SEC.
 
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Nah, don't buy any of it. You know what it is...Hartspeak...one year for what...accomplishes nothing...buh, bye, Dave Hart, we never really wanted to know ya'...:)
Speaking of recruiting...Ole Miss had four or five ballplayers from Southhaven, MS, on their team. Southhaven is a suburb of Memphis, annexed years ago. Also, saw one from Collierville...and, they're right in our own backyard. It seems the coaches should spend some time in West Tennessee because many other teams are. Look, I wish Coach Serrano and staff the best. I want them to succeed, just like many on here. Many on here tried to bring whatever magic and mojo they had and cheered for this team...down to the wire...yep, and, I'll do it again...didn't say I was the sharpest tool in the shed. Just think sweet thoughts...:), be patient for the changes, and happy Memorial Day!

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Collierville IS in Ole Miss backyard as is Southhaven. That's a long long way from Knoxville. Not sure what the annex meant. I personally think we need to be recruiting in the Atlanta area and of course middle Tennessee. Serrano got burned by the draft and lost a couple of key pitchers. The game starts and stop there at least in college.
 
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Nah, don't buy any of it. You know what it is...Hartspeak...one year for what...accomplishes nothing...buh, bye, Dave Hart, we never really wanted to know ya'...:)
Speaking of recruiting...Ole Miss had four or five ballplayers from Southhaven, MS, on their team. Southhaven is a suburb of Memphis, annexed years ago. Also, saw one from Collierville...and, they're right in our own backyard. It seems the coaches should spend some time in West Tennessee because many other teams are. Look, I wish Coach Serrano and staff the best. I want them to succeed, just like many on here. Many on here tried to bring whatever magic and mojo they had and cheered for this team...down to the wire...yep, and, I'll do it again...didn't say I was the sharpest tool in the shed. Just think sweet thoughts...:), be patient for the changes, and happy Memorial Day!

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when is suburban Memphis in Tennessee's backyard?
 
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Collierville IS in Ole Miss backyard as is Southhaven. That's a long long way from Knoxville. Not sure what the annex meant. I personally think we need to be recruiting in the Atlanta area and of course middle Tennessee. Serrano got burned by the draft and lost a couple of key pitchers. The game starts and stop there at least in college.

Collierville is in Tennessee...Southhaven is a surburb of Memphis...those areas are in West Tennessee. There's lots of talent around besides middle and east Tennessee...how's that worked so far..., but Ole Miss and Mississippi State are definitely getting some damn good players from West Tennessee...how they doing...:peace2
Coach Serrano is not the only coach who loses players to the draft, or has players with injuries either...geez....

PS. Gonna say this one more time...Hart will be gone...probably this summer...hide and watch...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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Since when is suburban Memphis in Tennessee's backyard?


You guys crack me up...so, no wonder, he can't get the best players in Tennessee, they're not all in his backyard, in Knoxville...maybe he should get out more and observe the wonderful state of Tennessee...like out of his backyard...:eek:lol:

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Collierville is in Tennessee...Southhaven is a surburb of Memphis...those areas are in West Tennessee. There's lots of talent around besides middle and east Tennessee...how's that worked so far..., but Ole Miss and Mississippi State are definitely getting some damn good players from West Tennessee...how they doing...:peace2
Coach Serrano is not the only coach who loses players to the draft, or has players with injuries either...geez....

PS. Gonna say this one more time...Hart will be gone...probably this summer...hide and watch...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!

Never ever insinuate that Southhaven is associated with Memphis. You might get shot. Trust me Southhaven IS Ole Miss and Miss St territory. Surely you understand that? Serrano is no idiot and I'm sure he's recruited Shelby county as hard as he realistically can. Plus baseball recruiting budget doesn't allow for unrestricted travel.
 
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Collierville is in Tennessee...Southhaven is a surburb of Memphis...those areas are in West Tennessee. There's lots of talent around besides middle and east Tennessee...how's that worked so far..., but Ole Miss and Mississippi State are definitely getting some damn good players from West Tennessee...how they doing...:peace2
Coach Serrano is not the only coach who loses players to the draft, or has players with injuries either...geez....

PS. Gonna say this one more time...Hart will be gone...probably this summer...hide and watch...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!

Since when did Southhaven become part of TN?
 
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Dave Hart said that Dave is more competitive than everybody else in the room. I'm not sure if he said "Dave Hart" is the most competitive or if "Dave" is. So was he talking about himself or Dave Serrano? When I heard it live I thought he was referring to himself... Dave Hart.
 
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Never ever insinuate that Southhaven is associated with Memphis. You might get shot. Trust me Southhaven IS Ole Miss and Miss St territory. Surely you understand that? Serrano is no idiot and I'm sure he's recruited Shelby county as hard as he realistically can. Plus baseball recruiting budget doesn't allow for unrestricted travel.

Not insinuating anything...it's a fact...look it up...not sayin' it's a different environment...started from nothing...small North Mississippi nothing...that became a hotbed for baseball talent...have a brother that's lived there for 30 years and he told me ten years ago what kind of talent was coming out of that area...and, at least, according to my brother, who is a 33 year retired captain of the Memphis police department, who follows sports, that, he's knows, for a fact, the University of Tennessee has never recruited that area heavily, for anything, except football, and basketball...and, then, barely...speaking of budget...that's why you "try" to win the state you're coaching in, first, from metropolitan cities, suburbs, hen houses, and outhouses ...more bang for the buck, and, if you can't do that...well, maybe...it's the recruiting approach...Coach Serrano is a west coast man...this ain't the west coast...maybe, he don't speak southern well enough...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Yeah I think he's a bit confused.

all I'm asking is to check it out...the affiliation between Southhaven Mississippi and the County of Shelby, which Memphis is included...educate yourself...be surprised what can happen when across a state line people can actually vote to become a part of another part of the border state...:)

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Hope everyone had a good weekend, we'll get around to it tomorrow.


GBO!!!
 

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