Urban Exposed As A Fraud

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VOLNBAMA said:
Mullen was the reason behind his success at Utah and Bowling Green?
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I think this is much more indicative to what kind of coach Urban is. He is a CEO, not an X's and O's coach. Some CEO's are not gameplan people, they are great recruiters and good at surrounding themselves with people to be very competent in areas they themselves are not so strong at. Some coordinators are not good CEO's (ala Charlie Weiss), but excellent at X's and O's.

I think Urbie is a great recruiter, good coach (his special teams are always amazing), but needs a good OC. Its obvious the difference at Florida from Mullen to Addazzio (much like Cutcliffe to Sanders here).

Fulmer was the same way, - the special teams...
 
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MTSUDaff said:
People, it's one year. One year. Let's see how Florida rebounds the next couple of years before we start saying he is nothing without Dan Mullen. You can't expect them to be as good as they were at the height of his short tenure at Florida without guys like Tebow and Percy Harvin making plays...
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You said that we “can't deny the man is a good coach”. Now sounds like you are reconsidering.
 
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My personal take, fwiw:

1) UF has underperformed and had a weak season, both by UF standards of late, and relative to what you'd expect given the talent level.

2) The defense has performed pretty much as you would hope, given changes in personnel from last year. Are they as good as Charlie Strong would have them ? No. But they might have played well enough for UF to have maybe 2 losses, not 4. The defense will be better, and are in capable hands as is.

3) The problem is that the offense is well short of where it should be. There are several reasons, but talent is not one of them:

a) the offensive line has been absolutely and inexplicably horrid. Yes, there injuries. Yes, some players were moved around on short notice. But, these are 5 star juniors and seniors and they are not getting it done.

b) the lack of a dependable rugged running back. Other than Emmit Smith, this has been an Achilles' heel for UF since, well, forever.

c) inconsistent QB play. I put most of this on the line, but some of it that there is no rhythm to this offensive scheme.


UM is clearly frustrated and I think appreciates fully where the problems are. Notwithstanding his loyal comments, expect to see UF with a new Oline and OC next year. It may or may not be 100 pct fair to put that on Addazio and to replace him, but that is what's going to happen. And that will be very shortly after the bowl season.

You should hope I'm wrong about that.
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#30
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He should definitely replace Addazio, but he also needs to realize that they aren't going to win anything with Brantley trying to play that system or the running back disaster they have going on.
 
#31
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PennVol said:
I think this is much more indicative to what kind of coach Urban is. He is a CEO, not an X's and O's coach. Some CEO's are not gameplan people, they are great recruiters and good at surrounding themselves with people to be very competent in areas they themselves are not so strong at. Some coordinators are not good CEO's (ala Charlie Weiss), but excellent at X's and O's.

I think Urbie is a great recruiter, good coach (his special teams are always amazing), but needs a good OC. Its obvious the difference at Florida from Mullen to Addazzio (much like Cutcliffe to Sanders here).

Fulmer was the same way, - the special teams...
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To Fulmer's credit, he got a lot of praise as Tennessee's OC before he was promoted.
 
#32
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lawgator1 said:
My personal take, fwiw:

1) UF has underperformed and had a weak season, both by UF standards of late, and relative to what you'd expect given the talent level.

2) The defense has performed pretty much as you would hope, given changes in personnel from last year. Are they as good as Charlie Strong would have them ? No. But they might have played well enough for UF to have maybe 2 losses, not 4. The defense will be better, and are in capable hands as is.

3) The problem is that the offense is well short of where it should be. There are several reasons, but talent is not one of them:

a) the offensive line has been absolutely and inexplicably horrid. Yes, there injuries. Yes, some players were moved around on short notice. But, these are 5 star juniors and seniors and they are not getting it done.

b) the lack of a dependable rugged running back. Other than Emmit Smith, this has been an Achilles' heel for UF since, well, forever.

c) inconsistent QB play. I put most of this on the line, but some of it that there is no rhythm to this offensive scheme.


UM is clearly frustrated and I think appreciates fully where the problems are. Notwithstanding his loyal comments, expect to see UF with a new Oline and OC next year. It may or may not be 100 pct fair to put that on Addazio and to replace him, but that is what's going to happen. And that will be very shortly after the bowl season.

You should hope I'm wrong about that.
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1) Yes

2) The defense has had a lot of people under perform on that DL. I don't know if it's as easy a fix as you want it to be.

3) Did you miss Fred Taylor playing there? The offense has no identity. You can't switch on the fly from a finesse speed team to a smashmouth power team from play to play. Demps and Rainey aren't between the tackles runners and Moody sucks.

The QB play is inconsistent because UF is trying out 3 guys back there. Also, a bunch of "athletes" don't necessarily mean you have great WRs.
 
#33
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brantley sucks and addazio sucks thats why the offense is so terrible

he hired the coordinators and set up the team to win right? well thats what head coaches do
 
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lawgator1 said:
My personal take, fwiw:

1) b) the lack of a dependable rugged running back. Other than Emmit Smith, this has been an Achilles' heel for UF since, well, forever.
. . .

You should hope I'm wrong about that.
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I might dispute the running back comment, but I'm much more interest in finding out who in God's name your avatar is.
 
#39
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Speaking of the fall of Florida is a bit premature. If they continue to regress and finish less than 2nd in the East next year, I'll start to believe it.
 
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IPorange said:
Speaking of the fall of Florida is a bit premature. If they continue to regress and finish less than 2nd in the East next year, I'll start to believe it.
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Even then, I'm not sure I'll buy that Meyer is a fraud unless all health issues are made up.
 
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unless driskel is starting next yr we're gonna be bad again

brantley is just too damn slow for our offense

most importantly tho addazio has to moved back to o-line he is not a OC
 
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IPorange said:
Speaking of the fall of Florida is a bit premature. If they continue to regress and finish less than 2nd in the East next year, I'll start to believe it.
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I agree. After the roll they had, one bad season doesn't signal the end is near. Now if they continue to struggle to score 20 points in games next year, I might start thinking differently.
 
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I'll give Meyer next year to figure out what's missing. If rumors are true and Addazio stays on and Brantley starts in whatever they're calling that offense now then I don't see it getting much better, especially losing a lot of experience on the offensive line. Driskel is rated as the top pro-style and top spread QB. Brantley is a place-holder at this point, an intermediary between Tebow and Driskel, althought I figured on him being better than what's been seen.

Granted, if the Driksel era comes and goes with these 4-5 loss seasons then yeah, something is amiss.
 
#45
#45
Rex is good a relaying the information kind of like the guy who has a source without dropping names... :)

Also the girl in the pic of LG's avatar is Denise Milani, former SBB girl.
 
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#46
Where's that animated screenshot of Meyer throwing down his headset in disgust from a recent game? I think I saw it here somewhere.
 
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IPorange said:
Speaking of the fall of Florida is a bit premature. If they continue to regress and finish less than 2nd in the East next year, I'll start to believe it.
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It's called ebb and flow, Florida has enjoyed a long period of success but as we all know you can't stay on top forever. Tebow was the offense, he accounted for more than 60 percent of their production, you cannot lose a guy like that and expect to just reload, it's a rare thing. Florida is about to enter a period in which they may not always be in the hunt for an SEC title; GA, USC and UT all look to be improving and getting better, as well as recruiting more aggressively. Florida is going to have to earn it from here out I'm afraid.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Where's that animated screenshot of Meyer throwing down his headset in disgust from a recent game? I think I saw it here somewhere.
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Never mind. I know a Florida fan that will appreciate it.

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#49
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2 national titles in his first 6 years as florida head coach and 2 other very successful tenures at utah and bowling green. yeah, what a fraud.....
 
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