Urban Meyer being railroaded?

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  • Guilty of not reporting per protocol

    Votes: 58 72.5%

  • Not guilty: He reported everything per protocol

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Guilty of lying, but handled per protocol

    Votes: 20 25.0%
  • Total voters
    80
#52
#52
Followed protocol or not ZS should have been relieved of his duties. Had protocol been followed and ZS fired at the time then Meyer wouldn't be in this mess. I don't see how the AD and UM both survive. I would be willing to bet if some how UM gets to stay the AD is let go within a few weeks.
 
#53
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05_never_again said:
According to some of the reporting on this story he did precisely that. Smith interviewed at multiple other schools this offseason at Meyer's request. It's one of the things he's taking heat for in this whole deal; he didn't fire Smith but quietly tried to find him another job.
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I'm trying to decide if that's a lot better than keeping him. Big picture wise.

I know you ve screwed up enough that I cant keep you here, let me see if I can help you and me both out by finding you another spot.

If I felt like he had done enough wrong that I no longer wanted to be associated with him on my staff anymore I'm not sure I can see myself helping him off to another gig. And feel good about it.
 
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#54
#54
BeecherVol said:
The investigation in said case (assuming that may have happened) would have started and stopped with Meyer and what he wanted to do.

"Internal Investigations" are one of the more comical things that come out in these situations.
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agreed. the notion that Meyer needed someone else to make a decision about a member of HIS staff is laughable. i mean really, what exactly is the AD or President going to say to UM if he fires a staff member over this? that he was wrong to do so????

anybody buying this chain of command garbage is as naive as they come. i was a general manager in a past life, and i reported to the owner of the company. i fired a top sales guy in my facility for selling pain pills in the parking lot.

i didn't ask permission. and i didn't need to ask for forgiveness either.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. the notion that Meyer needed someone else to make a decision about a member of HIS staff is laughable. i mean really, what exactly is the AD or President going to say to UM if he fires a staff member over this? that he was wrong to do so????

anybody buying this chain of command garbage is as naive as they come. i was a general manager in a past life, and i reported to the owner of the company. i fired a top sales guy in my facility for selling pain pills in the parking lot.

i didn't ask permission. and i didn't need to ask for forgiveness either.
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Yep.
Not all coaches are afforded that type of control/power, matter a fact it's very few.
 
#57
#57
to the OP I would say he is absolutely not being railroaded. if anything he is getting treated with kitt gloves.
 
#58
#58
LouderVol said:
to the OP I would say he is absolutely not being railroaded. if anything he is getting treated with kitt gloves.
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BeecherVol said:
Yep.
Not all coaches are afforded that type of control/power, matter a fact it's very few.
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So he can hire his own staff yet not make the call to fire them? I get that there may be some red tape involved. Although no way he doesn't have free reign on making that type of a decision.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
So he can hire his own staff yet not make the call to fire them? I get that there may be some red tape involved. Although no way he doesn't have free reign on making that type of a decision.
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that's not what he was saying. he believes meyer is in that small group that can make just about any decision they want to about the program that doesn't require BOT approval (facilities' spending/budgeting etc...) Urban is definitely a decision maker, and needs little oversight from the AD or president when it comes to his staff or players and handling disciplinary issues.
 
#67
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
So he can hire his own staff yet not make the call to fire them? I get that there may be some red tape involved. Although no way he doesn't have free reign on making that type of a decision.
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No. Im saying he's not told "you can't hire Zack Smith because of _____________". On the the backside, they are leaving it up to him as to when its time to let the guy go and it appears they are going to back however he does that. Not all coaches (in fact very few) are afforded that kind of control or power.

That being said, if they are willing to cut loose that much responsibility to him (and they are compensating him well for his accomplishments) when he screws it up it should be on him. In this case it appears like they are scrambling trying to shift the "blame" on somebody other than him. In their eyes he's not as easily replaced.
 
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BeecherVol said:
No. Im saying he's not told "you can't hire Zack Smith because of _____________". On the the backside, they are leaving it up to him as to when its time to let the guy go and it appears they are going to back however he does that. Not all coaches (in fact very few) are afforded that kind of control or power.

That being said, if they are willing to cut loose that much responsibility to him (and they are compensating him well for his accomplishments) when he screws it up it should be on him. In this case it appears like they are scrambling trying to shift the "blame" on somebody other than him. In their eyes he's not as easily replaced.
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Gotcha.
 
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