US forces 'massing on Afghanistan-Pakistan border'

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volinbham said:
We need to unleash and end or just end. The Goldilocks approach just ain't fair.
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Agreed. People need to know that if the heavy stuff has to show up, shiz is real and serious ugliness will follow.
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Ironically, I think the US garners more international respect with the shiz is real approach than the PC approach. Haters gonna hate us either way.
 
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I know its horribly inefficient, but man,i would love a fleet of b52s carpet bombing
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OrangeEmpire said:
I know its horribly inefficient, but man,i would love a fleet of b52s carpet bombing
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I remember an interview with Colonel Hackworth during the first Gulf War and while everyone one was fretting about the resistance we would face; he was saying how the AF (with b52s) would turn the entry point into a waffle. It was Day 2 of the war and it was awesome to hear him lay it out straight.
 
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volinbham said:
I remember an interview with Colonel Hackworth during the first Gulf War and while everyone one was fretting about the resistance we would face; he was saying how the AF (with b52s) would turn the entry point into a waffle. It was Day 2 of the war and it was awesome to hear him lay it out straight.
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that's why china won't f'k with us. We would destroy each other. There would be no victor. I wouldn't live to see it, anyway.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Sounds like we might be getting ready to cut ties with Pakistan.

US forces 'massing on Afghanistan-Pakistan border' - Telegraph
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Obviously we are planning a sneak attack if it's on Volnation. What are the chances that this is just political posturing? I assume they are about the same as this being the key event in starting WWIII with India involved. So, what is going on? I am a bit concerned now that I have seen a hard date for leaving Iraq in the media. They could be going to this border soon.
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7thgroupvolfan said:
that's why china won't f'k with us. We would destroy each other. There would be no victor. I wouldn't live to see it, anyway.
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War with China may be the ultimate plan.

No victor seems to the the political thrust since
WWII.



volinbham said:
I remember an interview with Colonel Hackworth during the first Gulf War and while everyone one was fretting about the resistance we would face; he was saying how the AF (with b52s) would turn the entry point into a waffle. It was Day 2 of the war and it was awesome to hear him lay it out straight.
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I remember the interview with the first general
in command in Afghanistan.

He made a dispariging statement about islam
and was summarily dismissed from service.




OrangeEmpire said:
I know its horribly inefficient, but man,i would love a fleet of b52s carpet bombing
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I used to watch those dudes fly over every day.

The vietcong hated those worse than anything but
in the end, because of their determination and our
lack of determination, they won.





volinbham said:
Ironically, I think the US garners more international respect with the shiz is real approach than the PC approach. Haters gonna hate us either way.
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Didn't Obama apologize to the queen of England for
the Declaration of indepence?

I know he sent back the bust of Churchill because
he was an anti muslim, nazi hating fanatic.





7thgroupvolfan said:
Afghanistan is every dudes theater. Will be for many years to come.
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The 'graveyard of empires' title wasn't earned easily.

BTW Hitlery Clinton was burned in effigy in Pakistan
yesterday and some regions of Pakistan have declined
to accept further foreign aid payments even though
they are earmarked for much needed improvements
to hospitals etc.
 
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Afghanistan to back Pakistan if wars with U.S.: Karzai - World news - South and Central Asia - Afghanistan - msnbc.com

ISLAMABAD — Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.

The remarks were in sharp contrast to recent tension between the two neighbors over cross-border raids, and Afghan accusations that Pakistan was involved in killing the chief Afghan peace envoy, former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, by a suicide bomber on September 20.

"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.
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with "friends like these..."
 
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dreVol said:
So much for that smart diplomacy we were promised.
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On the other hand, it could be great psychological warfare. It might help get rid of the perception that the Afghan government is just a US puppet. I doubt the people there buy that notion even if what he says is true though.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Cannot believe Karzai said that.
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If this does go down, India very well may be our next most important ally, they would have the most to gain and lose. Given Pakistan is a nuclear power, this could get ugly. I don't think they have the balls to use them (at least in a strategic way, terrorists "stealing" is another story) but you never know when they have their backs to a wall.

I have a hard time believing any of this will be substantial, just doesn't make sense.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I hope "gotta" is the right descriptor. My concern is that it's somewhat about image and votes. High point of current presidency was a military action.
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Pakistan and its intelligence service the ISI have been training and supporting the Taliban from the git-go, playing both ends against the middle.

But going to war with a nuclear-armed nation of 300 million with 10,000 mile supply lines will make Iran and Afghanistan look like Primcess Diana's wedding...
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dave956 said:
Pakistan and its intelligence service the ISI have been training and supporting the Taliban from the git-go, playing both ends against the middle.

But going to war with a nuclear-armed nation of 300 million with 10,000 mile supply lines will make Iran and Afghanistan look like Primcess Diana's wedding...
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Not to mention, there is a significant portion of that nuclear armed 300 million that fervently believe in the metaphysics of martrydom. Very scary indeed.
 
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There is a lot of speculation in this thread, but I highly doubt we are planning to invade Pakistan.

In the article, the author says we are massing "hundreds of troops." That does not signal an invasion. What it means is we are reinforcing the positions along the border. That includes the border control points that we've had in place since late 2001 and the force protection firebases we established in 2007.

Haqqani has been part of the Taliban, as well as the Mujahidden, but most see him as an independent actor who is only out for his own gain. He has strong ties to Al Qaeda, the drug lords and the Pakistan ISI--in fact the ISI thinks that he is the one who will unite Afghanistan when we (i.e. Americans) leave, so they are hedging their bets and providing him with support, while publicly speaking against him.

Unlike the ISI, the Pakistani Army is a true ally in this fight. They've had upwards of 100k troops on the border and in the FATA since around 2004 and have taken a lot of casualties--mostly due to their own ineffectiveness but also due to their lack of experience in this type of warfare. When they initially went in we had to provide them with maps and imagery since they had never mapped out these territories. Over the years they have gotten much better but there are still a lot of challenges working in that area.

Bottom line is we've been fighting Haqqani since 2001. In 2002/3, we had a reinforced Infantry Battalion in Khowst, but grew that to a Brigade Combat Team with a lot of extra reinforcements. In 2004 we brought in a small battery of 155s so we could reach out from FOB Salerno to the BCPs. That was critical as Haqqani ramped up attacks from across the border in the Spring and Summer of 2004--at one point he had over 1000 troops attacking a BCP that had about 50 Afghans and a handful of Americans. It was an attack from multiple directions with indirect fire support from his guys in Pakistan. We fought back with the 155s, Apaches, close air support and sent in several companies of infantry, while the Pakistan Army attempted to close of the border from their side. In the end, we saw upwards of 20 trucks full of casualties enter a town in the Pakistan side of the border. We fought like that most of the summer before the elections and winter--not many people back home heard about those fights.

I digressed a bit, but the key is this is the most complex issue you could imagine. We do have friends on both sides, but we also have enemies as well as those who are just out for their own interests. Invading Pakistan would be the biggest mistake we could make and one of the biggest since Alexander tried to conquer the sub-continent. I have to believe we are not that stupid. . .

Afghanistan Online: Biography (Jalaluddin Haqqani)
 
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Karzai is on record as saying Afghanistan will side
with Pakistan if war between America and
Pakistn ensues.

So much for moslem allies, they are merely enemies
with a smiling face as long as you are helping them
achieve their own goals which have nothing at all to
do with aiding America and everything to do with
bringing America to it's knees.

MILITARY: Marines train to win hearts, spot bombs

The relationships troops forge can mean the difference
between a bloody deployment and a relatively safe one,
said one of the trainers, Shafiq Mubarak, from the
Marine Corps Center for Advanced Operational Culture
Learning. . .

Mubarak taught the troops the proper way to sit during
a shura. He told them they should plan on at least 30
minutes for an initial meeting, and that they should
always finish their tea and eat any food presented.

“If you don’t, that means to them that you don’t trust
them, or think what they are giving you is poison or is
unclean,” he said.

Mubarak also said the Marines should never spit or
urinate to the west, the direction of Mecca that
Muslims in Afghanistan face when they pray.
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Other sensitivity topics previously covered.

Do not fart in the presence of a moslem.

Do not eat or drink, even water, (American servicemen
cannot consume alcohol in Iraq and Afghanistan even
privately, at least in Korea, even though the enemy
was much stronger, the fighting fiercer and the tactics
not so cowardly as the Taliban and other moslems use,
at least our men were rationed a case of beer a week
and a fifth of whiskey each month,) or eat in public
during the moslem (un)holy month of ramadama.

Do not bring Bibles into the country, they will be
publicly burned.

That covers some of the sensitivity topics, in case you
havn't noticed, moslems are even more sensitive than
our own native progressives and are easily offended,
in which case they feel it is their duty to react violently
if offended in the least.

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