USA Today Poll finds 58% of Republicans believe Capitol Riot was organized by Antifa

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lawgator1 said:
That may be the most idiotic argument I have ever seen. The media covering an event are not thereby a willing participant. By that logic, Fox News reporters are part of BLM when they cover a march.
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*Sigh*

It's 100% spot on, you claiming it idiotic just cements that fact in stone since you've been proven to be on the wrong side of every argument repeatedly. Your track record sucks immensely!
It wasn't just "the media" it was CNN (shocking I know) and they didn't just cover Sullivan who is an admitted BLM activist (again shocking) they marched in with him step for step, filmed him and interviewed him. He is an admitted BLM activist that was filmed and recorded as saying "we are in, I can't believe we took this ******r, we need to burn this fu***r" down", yet he was released and not charged (again shocking).

You are in need of a shearer.
 
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My estimation is that for 70% of the people that went in it is was more or less spontaneous and they got caught up in a group frenzy, for 15% there was a loose plan to engage in some kind of civil disobedience but they weren't planning on killing anyone or destroying anything of significance, and for 15% there was a plan to go in and disrupt things, whether in this specific way or some other.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My estimation is that for 70% of the people that went in it is was more or less spontaneous and they got caught up in a group frenzy, for 15% there was a loose plan to engage in some kind of civil disobedience but they weren't planning on killing anyone or destroying anything of significance, and for 15% there was a plan to go in and disrupt things, whether in this specific way or some other.
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Of that 15 and 15, nothing was coordinated on a large scale I'd bet.

Which gives the lie to the coup stupidity.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My estimation is that for 70% of the people that went in it is was more or less spontaneous and they got caught up in a group frenzy, for 15% there was a loose plan to engage in some kind of civil disobedience but they weren't planning on killing anyone or destroying anything of significance, and for 15% there was a plan to go in and disrupt things, whether in this specific way or some other.
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My estimate is that 100% of the people that entered the Capitol under an assumption that there would not be repercussions for doing so after forcing entry are morons.

I can understand their frustration after seeing a year of this **** on national TV. But that doesn’t remove their responsibilities for their own actions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My estimation is that for 70% of the people that went in it is was more or less spontaneous and they got caught up in a group frenzy, for 15% there was a loose plan to engage in some kind of civil disobedience but they weren't planning on killing anyone or destroying anything of significance, and for 15% there was a plan to go in and disrupt things, whether in this specific way or some other.
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I'd have guessed more like 85 - 9 -6 (based on 300 total)
If even 50 of those that entered the building wanted to wreck havoc the lawmakers would not have been back in the building for weeks. Nancy's laptop was a target (for some reason either for Nancy's dirt or her benefit) I don't know what else was a preplanned target
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
My estimate is that 100% of the people that entered the Capitol under an assumption that there would not be repercussions for doing so after forcing entry are morons.

I can understand their frustration after seeing a year of this **** on national TV. But that doesn’t remove their responsibilities for their own actions.
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I agree but level of culpability does change I think based on where people fall in those groups, plus any leadership role taken. The loon in the animal garb, for example, or people with bullhorns who led chants specifically calling for violence, should suffer a more severe repercussion than a person randomly there who joined in with the crowd.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
My estimate is that 100% of the people that entered the Capitol under an assumption that there would not be repercussions for doing so after forcing entry are morons.

I can understand their frustration after seeing a year of this **** on national TV. But that doesn’t remove their responsibilities for their own actions.
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There were actually arrest all over the country, it'll be the courts where everyone was given a pass, will be interesting if these get a pass too.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree but level of culpability does change I think based on where people fall in those groups, plus any leadership role taken. The loon in the animal garb, for example, or people with bullhorns who led chants specifically calling for violence, should suffer a more severe repercussion than a person randomly there who joined in with the crowd.
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What specifically did Bison Head do that was so bad?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree but level of culpability does change I think based on where people fall in those groups, plus any leadership role taken. The loon in the animal garb, for example, or people with bullhorns who led chants specifically calling for violence, should suffer a more severe repercussion than a person randomly there who joined in with the crowd.
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Oh I’m sure examples will be made for making the elites soil their jimmies. That’s completely inexcusable. I’m sure those leading the burning down of our cities all summer will face the same fate.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh I’m sure examples will be made for making the elites soil their jimmies. That’s completely inexcusable. I’m sure those leading the burning down of our cities all summer will face the same fate.
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They aren't exactly the same situation but everyone I can think of agrees that protestors from the summer that engaged in violence ought to be prosecuted.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
@Weezer, waiting for you to call him out for saying I'm from hell.
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How do I know you're not from hell?

Personally, I think message boarding isn't for you. You clearly have a hard time recognizing boundaries, and butthurt leads you to make idiotic comments. I mean, cancer? C'mon. You can't really be that dense, can you?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Neither of these makes a rational argument that this was not a coup. You’re both relying on the same failed logic: that because the coup was delusional and doomed to fail, it couldn’t have been a coup.

If we had to wait for a well-planned or successful coup to call a thing a coup, that’d be pretty ****ing stupid. The intent to defy the established process for the transfer of power and acts in furtherance of that intent are what matter.

The bottom line re: their intent is that they were there to force Mike Pence or congress to overturn the results of the election, ignore the established process for transfer of power, and maintain Donald Trump as the unelected “president.” They came prepared, they fought the police, they broke in they acted in furtherance of that intent.

That’s a coup by any sensible definition of the word. Case closed.

Whether they had a plan to maintain power going forward is immaterial... but they did. They believed police and military would be on their side and that the government would generally proceed as before sans input from liberals or anybody they disagreed with. There is copious amounts of evidence to support this, including posts made on this forum, Parler, Twitter, and Facebook. The dude here who was (is?) always begging for a civil war was constantly saying that the military and police would be on Trump’s side. That’s a common belief in the Q-sphere and among Trump supporters. In videos of the coup, you can hear them screaming at police that they are supposed to be on the same side.

Was that expectation - that the military and courts would help them maintain an illegitimate presidency - delusional? Sure. But these are by and large the same people who believe that there’s an ongoing child sex ring in the nonexistent basement of Comet Pizza. That didn’t make the shooting there any less of a shooting.

These people are so terrible at accepting bad facts that they still think the election was stolen based on absolutely no concrete evidence. They thought the courts were going to overturn the election until... yesterday, in some cases. If the entire premise of their coup is delusional, how is it relevant that their plan going forward was also delusional? It’s not relevant at all.

What matters is their intent and their actions. Both of which were obvious. Which is why I fully endorse the both of you to go door to door in the suburbs and tell everybody you meet that every good Trump loving Republican believes this event is being “overcharged” and it wasn’t really as bad as what they all saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears.
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A coup is an attempt to take over government (in your mind). It requires a position of strength - like the military assuming power over a civil government because it has the mass and the weapons to do so. This was a demonstration pure and simple. Protestors have interrupted congressional proceedings for decades seeking to change policy. A book I'm reading mentioned Viet Nam antiwar protestors interrupting congressional proceedings - they were physically present and interrupted - it wasn't a coup.

There are all kinds of references in our literature to civil disobedience as a means to get the attention of government. There was a summer of violence that was permitted - that was supposedly aimed at forcing government to pay attention and redress wrongs. As a matter of fact, remember "Defund the Police"? That's much more coup like than this demonstration in the capitol. The 1st Amendment itself discusses assembly and redress of grievances; it leaves out a lot of specifics - just as it does with "free speech" which has been very liberally interpreted as useful over the years.

No one left of center is going to be inclined to see reason. In fact, one lead in on last night's evening news referenced "deadly" protests or riots or what ever term, but certainly "deadly" was the descriptor in spite of all that's been uncovered, and it is still being pushed by the media.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They aren't exactly the same situation but everyone I can think of agrees that protestors from the summer that engaged in violence ought to be prosecuted.
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So, other than the crime of zero fashion sense, what exactly did Bison Man do wrong?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And the Cline Center is wrong in their classification (which frankly the Cline Center used mental gymnastics to apply the event to fit one of their 12 categories as an “attempted coup”). My source? Other academics. Feel free to point this out to the kid. I don’t want him to think I’m picking on him. 😂

An actual coup comes from within and has specifically defined players. To be fair Trump is loose with the word also. But frankly Trump is closer to being correct than anybody applying it to Jan 6

What is a coup and did we see one on Wednesday?
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Obviously the Cline Center doesn't have the academic athleticism to play mental gymnastics. More like their attempted classification was the work of morons.

Note also the article starts out with the "deadly riot" routine. Their last best hope on that was a capitol cop "bashed with a fire extinguisher" which could have been resolved in a matter of hours if not minutes by simple physical diagnosis of skull fracture or bleeding. The protestor killed was done by an overzealous cop with an agenda ... or the cop was afraid and unfit for the job ... looked more like murder - a simple targeted shooting by an unrushed cop.
 
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AM64 said:
A coup is an attempt to take over government (in your mind). It requires a position of strength - like the military assuming power over a civil government because it has the mass and the weapons to do so. This was a demonstration pure and simple. Protestors have interrupted congressional proceedings for decades seeking to change policy. A book I'm reading mentioned Viet Nam antiwar protestors interrupting congressional proceedings - they were physically present and interrupted - it wasn't a coup.

There are all kinds of references in our literature to civil disobedience as a means to get the attention of government. There was a summer of violence that was permitted - that was supposedly aimed at forcing government to pay attention and redress wrongs. As a matter of fact, remember "Defund the Police"? That's much more coup like than this demonstration in the capitol. The 1st Amendment itself discusses assembly and redress of grievances; it leaves out a lot of specifics - just as it does with "free speech" which has been very liberally interpreted as useful over the years.

No one left of center is going to be inclined to see reason. In fact, one lead in on last night's evening news referenced "deadly" protests or riots or what ever term, but certainly "deadly" was the descriptor in spite of all that's been uncovered, and it is still being pushed by the media.
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Look bub, it's a coup because we say it's a coup. Because that's more scary and we want you living in fear of the conservative boogeyman.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That may be the most idiotic argument I have ever seen. The media covering an event are not thereby a willing participant. By that logic, Fox News reporters are part of BLM when they cover a march.
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Did you ever think that the media actually are instigators and enablers? What would a riot be if nobody thought it newsworthy. Something like "we threw a war and nobody came"?
 
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AM64 said:
Obviously the Cline Center doesn't have the academic athleticism to play mental gymnastics. More like their attempted classification was the work of morons.

Note also the article starts out with the "deadly riot" routine. Their last best hope on that was a capitol cop "bashed with a fire extinguisher" which could have been resolved in a matter of hours if not minutes by simple physical diagnosis of skull fracture or bleeding. The protestor killed was done by an overzealous cop with an agenda ... or the cop was afraid and unfit for the job ... looked more like murder - a simple targeted shooting by an unrushed cop.
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They are supposed to be “experts”. And they still went thru mental gymnastics to stretch it and said “attempted coup by dissidents” GTFO and any appeal to authority by those morons is rejected.
 
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