USDOJ throws monkey wrench in the House settlement

#28
#28
J C Higgins said:
As I've posted before it seems to me the only way to significantly change the situation is for federal legislation that would deny any university participating in intercollegiate sports federal support of any kind ( direct payments, student/VA loans, Pell grants, research grants, etc, etc) if they use players with NIL contracts.

This would not prevent any school from continuing to participate with NIL supported athletes.....but they would have to do it without any kind of federal help.

This way the government could stop it just as effectively as they allowed it in the first place because few, if any universities would be willing to continue under those rules.
Click to expand...

So you're going to punish everyone at a university for a private business agreement that they are t a party to, and over which they have no control?

That's how you get a round of Constitutional lawsuits and lose them, and the new law gets overturned in the courts.
 
#29
#29
S.C. OrangeMan said:
This sounds like matter what Congress may do, that the NCAA can't cap NIL or interfere with it.

Click to expand...

Install a system where the play signs a contract to said school, include buyout to recoup time and money invested. FACE IT, the NIL entities are basically an agent for the school not the player. I don’t think Spyre is steering players to other schools. If the players want to be professionals then treat them as such!!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: LAVol1
#31
#31
S.C. OrangeMan said:
So you're going to punish everyone at a university for a private business agreement that they are t a party to, and over which they have no control?

That's how you get a round of Constitutional lawsuits and lose them, and the new law gets overturned in the courts.
Click to expand...

The penalties for Title IX violations includd withdrawal of federal funds.
Got a better idea?
Who knows what the courts are going to decide?
 
Last edited:
#33
#33
J C Higgins said:
The penalties for Title IX violations includd withdrawal of federal funds.
Got a better idea?
Who knows what the courts are going to decide?
Click to expand...
NIL isn't a Title IX issue.. the universities don't pay it not are they legally responsible for it.

Better idea? Absolutely. Let the free market decide, and adapt.

The courts have already decided. Without an antitrust exemption, that's not going to change.

With an anti trust exemption, there will be unintended consequences. That could lead to the cure being worse than the disease.
 
Last edited:
#37
#37
S.C. OrangeMan said:
Not at all. There are no contracts for CFB athletes. No I contract, nothing to stop me anyone from changing jobs.
Click to expand...

Not that kind of different. But it’s still a bad analogy. Changing jobs every 8-9 months in real life will make you unemployable after a while. In college football it gets you more money and playing time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GulfCoasterVol
#38
#38
S.C. OrangeMan said:
NIL isn't a Title IX issue.. the universities don't pay it not are they legally responsible for it.

Better idea? Absolutely. Let the free market decide, and adapt.

The courts have already decided. Without an antitrust exemption, that's not going to change.

With an anti trust exemption, there will be unintended consequences. That could lead to the cure being worse than the disease.
Click to expand...
The NFL realized a completely free market situation would ruin their business model because the richest franchises would dominate the sport by hiring the best players. So they instituted salary caps and reverse order player draft selecting to make the rosters more even. With the current college system neither of those roster-leveling situations is possible so it looks like federal legislation is the only option or we live with what we have and if that's the case I don't think it'll survive.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: loservol
#39
#39
The Original Fade said:
Not that kind of different. But it’s still a bad analogy. Changing jobs every 8-9 months in real life will make you unemployable after a while. In college football it gets you more money and playing time.
Click to expand...
When you change once or twice when you get a max of five years that changes the equation. If you get a couple of million for doing it, who cared if they are unemployable after that?
J C Higgins said:
The NFL realized a completely free market situation would ruin their business model because the richest franchises would dominate the sport by hiring the best players. So they instituted salary caps and reverse order player draft selecting to make the rosters more even. With the current college system neither of those roster-leveling situations is possible so it looks like federal legislation is the only option or we live with what we have and if that's the case I don't think it'll survive.
Click to expand...
 
#40
#40
J C Higgins said:
The NFL realized a completely free market situation would ruin their business model because the richest franchises would dominate the sport by hiring the best players. So they instituted salary caps and reverse order player draft selecting to make the rosters more even. With the current college system neither of those roster-leveling situations is possible so it looks like federal legislation is the only option or we live with what we have and if that's the case I don't think it'll survive.
Click to expand...
I think it survives. No matter what. The free market is typically self correcting if something doesn't stay send sufficient.
 
#41
#41
COMMUNITY NOTE: This S.C. OrangeMan guy knows absolutely nothing about the subject he pretends to be an expert on. He is confronted by myself and others in this thread:

Nil, Revenue Sharing and Title IX

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2025/department-of-education-title-ix-nil-guidance-1234824287/ this could change a lot of the landscape and further delay "fixing" all the problems with NIL and Portal.
www.volnation.com www.volnation.com

He is an unserious person who is not operating in good faith. Do not waste your time with him. I have wasted far too much.
 
Last edited:
#43
#43
The Original Fade said:
It’s a great system they created isn’t it? I mean, you can tell there was a lot of thought and planning that went in to NIL and the portal. It’s a shining example of efficiency, fairness, and orderly structure
Click to expand...
The NCAA put zero thought or planning into it because they thought they could indefinitely get away with their illegal, exploitative sports model. They thought no one would ever challenge them. Then states, universities, athletes, and former athletes took them to court over everything from NIL, to the transfer portal, to eligibility, to revenue sharing. Other than the yet to be finalized House case settlement, the NCAA lost every related judicial decision. They are a clown show, but barring the NCAA getting an antitrust agreement, that's the best they can do.

If the NCAA does get an ATE, look for the athletes to immediately become unionized and fully paid. The NCAA hates that idea more than what they have now. So...they're getting death by 1,000 paper cuts instead of one massive trauma.
 
#44
#44
Firebirdparts said:
It truly was quite badly restricted as it was originally created. The restrictions are a big part of the problem, really. I don't suppose the restrictions put there by the NCAA really matter at this point. what we were told was:
1. No pay for play
2. School can't pay you
3. NIL can't be dependent on where you play
4. No tampering
etc.

The collectives were created to generate a totally fake mechanism for getting this done as pay for play (nobody cares about using your NIL to run a business). The collectives have to conspire with the school during recruiting. You have to.

So at this point, everybody is pay-for-play using fake means only. No contractual obligations are possible. At least not blunt ones.

I thought revenue sharing was set to start this summer. That might have been much less restricted in some ways, had its own different set of restrictions. However, the Dept of Education already has said that Title IX will apply to these payments and so whatever money you have, and that is capped of course, will go proportionally to the girls. Just that fact alone causes you to recognize that profit sharing on contribution among the boys is not going to be very simple.
Click to expand...

I said all of this in earlier statements - Title 9 is going to make rev sharing useless since backup girls water polo players are going to demand equal pay with Heisman winning QBs. If any "clearinghouse" looks at the real value of the NIL and it has to get approval, all the real money is going to go back underground.

Football, Basketball and to a less extent Baseball now become not only the way schools pay for athletics for women and low popularity sports but now they are going to become a jobs program.

That is simply not sustainable long term.
 
#45
#45
I posted this on another thread.

To coin a phrase, they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. This govt opinion is just adding steam to the push to divest college football from the other sports. Football will leave to the detriment of other sports. They will then be worse off than when they started - maybe even to levels before Title IX was passed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KHVol
#46
#46
S.C. OrangeMan said:
It's not a problem. It's no different than someone with no contract changing jobs.
Click to expand...
You sir are lost. It is a huge problem. Ohio state is paying upwards of 20 million to play for a championship. How many teams are able or want to pay that kind of money to buy a trophy. Not a problems ass
 
#48
#48
m1al said:
Government definitely needs to stay out of it IMO. They screw up everything they stick their grubby hands in. Hell, the current administration is trying to burn the house down on its way out the door.
Click to expand...
As one gets older, he comes to realize. EVERYTHING the federal government touches turns to s***
 
  • Like
Reactions: m1al and VolDave53
#50
#50
Butch s said:
Why is anyone made to pretend to enroll at a university. It’s no longer about an education
Click to expand...

I don't believe schools would be willing to provide housing, food, healthcare, travel, etc. etc. to non-students. But I could be wrong.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top