UT Defense-Mythbusters Edition

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ESPNHATESUS said:
The line is ok speed wise it's the safety and lb positions that we are slow on hurting us. 4.5 and 4.6 speed against 4.4 and less around the end them yes that's slow.
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Aj's fastest timed ever is 4.62. Has also been clocked at 4.85. And these are hand timed. In pads he definitely runs a 4.8. I hate it too because I love the way he plays.
 
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DC Vol said:
It's a shock because VN is a haven of factual and rational discussion about UT football.
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I know from all the discussions about what is wrong with the team I thought I had actually stumbled on a forum with a bunch of head coaches on here and thought oh my I have found a gem of a site.
 
#79
#79
gobravesvols16 said:
Rivals and 247
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I don't buy the "lack of speed" excuse much either... but recruit reported 40 times are as reliable as Obama promises about your health insurance.

You can trust times somewhat that are reported from camps or recruit combines. You can almost always trust track and field times. A good 100 m time in track is FAR more reliable and meaningful than a hand time 40 by a guy's HS gym teacher.

You can ALWAYS trust laser timed 40's though not all recruits get them... and many don't want them publicized when they do.


The biggest problem on this D howeve is not raw speed or talent. It is a lack of ability to "play fast". To see and react rather than hesitate and think. Some of that is players' ability and football intelligence. Some of it is changing the system. But as unpopular as this is with many here... most of it is coaching and schemes.

Wilcox ran a 4-3 somewhat similar in design and concepts to Jancek's. He got more from less... and got it faster. Against pretty similar competition with little if any more help from the O... his D allowed 25 ppg. The current D is allowing 32 ppg.

Wilcox was 9th in the SEC which is not great but... UT right now is dead last in scoring D... just like last year with the incompetence of Sunseri and Dooley.
 
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#80
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BanditVol said:
Easy. Uga and USCe play traditional T-formation/I drop back passer offenses, not the "spread" or "read option" or whatever. Auburn and Oregon torched us with the read option. Mizzou is not 100% read option but they had a very mobile QB and ran something similar against us. Bammer is just good...they did most of their damage through the air against us, but we had a banged up secondary. McNeil, Moore and Randolph missed most of that game.

So the bottom line is that this team is getting repeatedly burned by fast mobile QBs who can make it to the edge faster than our DEs. Something we need to work on.

Good news...Patton Robbinette is not Marshall or even Mack.
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Great post. Agree a 110%
 
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You need good players with good football IQ and good coaching. If the speeds are about the same, what is lacking?
 
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Sharriscgcs said:
If McCullers can go 40 yards in less than 6 seconds I'd be surprised. Not saying anything negative, just that he is a mountain of a man. He's be a fun one to wathc run the 40 at the NFL combine.
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U must not remember the Florida game last year when he chased Driskal down from behind about 10 yds past the line of scrimmage. Yeah I know driskal wasn't moving at top speed but the kid has some speed for his size.

Not sure but i'm wondering if the issue is he is a 3-4 nosetackle and he is having trouble transitioning or even able to.
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I didn't take the time to look it up, but offense takes a part in that also. Stanford's offense kept Oregon's offense off the field more so than UT. I am curious to know the amount of snaps Oregon's offense had against Stanford vs UT. That will tell you the story.
 
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#91
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It really baffles me to see so many bash the coaches from last year when they were trying to implement a whole new D and then defend the current coaches for giving us the same level of product on the field when implementing a new defense. Not saying that we shouldn't support the coaches and give them time, but find all the "needs" time to implement the new system stuff interestingly hypocritical.

Also, I think it's important for people to remember that outside the SEC the last few yrs defense hasn't really mattered. High scoring Os is what has mattered to those coaches. We can't count on when our O will get his system if the D is going to be bad. It'll be the same results as last year.

So my concern is...does CBJ know how to coach/create a D that can handle an SEC schedule and how long will it take? He is definitely learning on the job, so time is going to be needed for sure...."Brick by brick" his version of Dooley's "Year Zero" IMO.
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Oskie Volum said:
It really baffles me to see so many bash the coaches from last year when they were trying to implement a whole new D and then defend the current coaches for giving us the same level of product on the field when implementing a new defense. Not saying that we shouldn't support the coaches and give them time, but find all the "needs" time to implement the new system stuff interestingly hypocritical.

Also, I think it's important for people to remember that outside the SEC the last few yrs defense hasn't really mattered. High scoring Os is what has mattered to those coaches. We can't count on when our O will get his system if the D is going to be bad. It'll be the same results as last year.

So my concern is...does CBJ know how to coach/create a D that can handle an SEC schedule and how long will it take? He is definitely learning on the job, so time is going to be needed for sure...."Brick by brick" his version of Dooley's "Year Zero" IMO.
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Why has this SEC won the last 7 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS = DEFENSE. CBJ has won everywhere he's been. He has been in the process of assembling the talent if you haven't noticed.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
It really baffles me to see so many bash the coaches from last year when they were trying to implement a whole new D and then defend the current coaches for giving us the same level of product on the field when implementing a new defense. Not saying that we shouldn't support the coaches and give them time, but find all the "needs" time to implement the new system stuff interestingly hypocritical.

Also, I think it's important for people to remember that outside the SEC the last few yrs defense hasn't really mattered. High scoring Os is what has mattered to those coaches. We can't count on when our O will get his system if the D is going to be bad. It'll be the same results as last year.

So my concern is...does CBJ know how to coach/create a D that can handle an SEC schedule and how long will it take? He is definitely learning on the job, so time is going to be needed for sure...."Brick by brick" his version of Dooley's "Year Zero" IMO.
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I'm not sure you have a full understanding of the task at hand. Not only are we slow and depleted on defense, we are running an oversimplified defense and our players still can't properly execute it. The defense is based on gap controls and containing the edge, but our DE our terrible and can't push plays back inside which forces us to put Brewer in a QB spy, which he can't run properly against fast QBs because he is slow, to avoid long runs. If our starters can't get the job done, then we have to rely on freshman and walkons to do the job. We aren't at year zero, we are at year -two. We need two years of great recruiting just to be relevant again.
 
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#94
I don't care if our guys ran 4.2s, the positions we find ourselves out of, it still wouldn't matter. We are slow at reading and anticipating plays that is why we are always getting burned
 
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#95
JAL said:
Why has this SEC won the last 7 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS = DEFENSE. CBJ has won everywhere he's been. He has been in the process of assembling the talent if you haven't noticed.
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Thanks Sherlock...I think?? :/
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keckjm said:
I'm not sure you have a full understanding of the task at hand. Not only are we slow and depleted on defense, we are running an oversimplified defense and our players still can't properly execute it. The defense is based on gap controls and containing the edge, but our DE our terrible and can't push plays back inside which forces us to put Brewer in a QB spy, which he can't run properly against fast QBs because he is slow, to avoid long runs. If our starters can't get the job done, then we have to rely on freshman and walkons to do the job. We aren't at year zero, we are at year -two. We need two years of great recruiting just to be relevant again.
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So what u r saying is that the players aren't being coached to to be where they should be?? Oh wait they r to "slow"...got it. Duh. Has nothing to do with making 3 mil to coach players to be ready to compete.

I'm glad to learn that 2 yrs of great recruiting is going to help. It really never occurred to me that that would be such a benefit. Dang I'm really going to have to rethink everything after the revelation.
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JAL said:
Don't say dumb $¢¡/ if you don't want to hear the obvious.
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Well in the future don't make "Captain Obvious" comments that shows that what I wrote went right over ur head.
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Oskie Volum said:
So what u r saying is that the players aren't being coached to to be where they should be?? Oh wait they r to "slow"...got it. Duh. Has nothing to do with making 3 mil to coach players to be ready to compete.

I'm glad to learn that 2 yrs of great recruiting is going to help. It really never occurred to me that that would be such a benefit. Dang I'm really going to have to rethink everything after the revelation.
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I understand you are naturally a douchebag, and for the record our problems run deeper then just being slow or being horribly coached the last few years. Our players aren't football smart, and no amount of coaching can solve genetic problems, you of all people should understand this as you have a serious case of douchebagities.
 
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