UT has the money, why not just pay up

[Schui_das]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

 

[sonofUT62]

Did we do away with the post requirement to start a thread??

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Because Nico sucks and isn’t worth what he was being paid, let alone more. That’s the reason we didn’t pay him. We let Rickey Gibson bend us over a barrel, and he is just fairly good, not close to great. This really speaks volumes as to what they think of Nico.

 

[sami]

Did we do away with the post requirement to start a thread??

A better question would be why isn't there a mental competency test to start a thread?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

There are no contracts and that’s the problem.

 

[kckempf]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

I don't think it would be a question if there was a good argument that he should receive what he requested. If he's a Heisman front runner national champion QB, it wouldn't be hard to get that for him. But if you give him this huge raise above his value, you have to give the same consideration for every other member of the team, and we certainly don't have the money for that.

 

[Vol1976]

Nico wasn't the end-all and be-all of the team. He had teammates who were worthier of some of that money. Credit where credit is due - or NIL if it comes to that.

 

[Godfatha]

No way dude.

Say you've got a payroll to make with 85 guys. Your payroll is $16 million. Do you give 1 dude a full quarter of that payroll? What about the other guys on your staff?

Do you also negotiate a raise with that guy in December when he threatens to go somewhere else, only to negotiate a 80% increase four months later when he threatens to leave again?

Do you pay that dude 75% over his market value?

I would say hell no, and tell him to walk.

 

[Elhanan]

For the right QB they probably would have.

For a mid tier guy who hasn’t lived up to the hype, nah.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

Sometimes, it not as much about the money, it's the principle of the thing. Didn't he just get a bump in January? Now he wants to hold us hostage again 3 months later? I honestly think he had already made up his mind that he was leaving. One other thing; in a post I read yesterday on here, does he have a girlfriend on campus? Are they still a couple, or has that went south? Anyone know?

 

[madbamahater]

2 things I'd consider if I was determining these things, which I'm not, so doesn't matter lol:

Has person A do enough to justify getting a substantial raise?

Will person B, C, D, E, F, G, etc., expect to be raised as well just because person A was? Especially if you just raised person A just because and not by justifiable means....

They'd all have a point.....

This is why a meritocracy is ALWAYS the best system for compensation. Not seniority, tenure, or any other random emotional reasons. Just good ol pure earning it, no.matter who you are or what you look like or smell like

 

[99gator]

1. you may not have the money. There is an NIL pot, say $100, just to use as an example. Coaches have already determined how that pot is being distributed. Now, someone comes along and wants more. You either have to change the allocation of funds or go beg for more. The people you get the money from may not be pleased.

2. Just like professional sports, money can cause a rift. If the guy who makes the most money ain't that great, you start feeling cheated about the money you're making and then it filters throughout the whole team.

3. If you had an agreement with a player and then he holds out for more, the other guys on the team notice. And there's a higher likelihood they do the same thing.

4. I assume that he was not the first one in the building, last one to leave type. If you're going to pay a dude major coin, he either better be the real deal or an example to the rest of the team on how to conduct yourself, or both. My guess is he was neither.

One of the things that got looked over from the Last Dance and the kind of teammate Michael Jordan was is that at some point in that documentary, Michael said he didn't ask anything of someone else he wasn't doing himself. So, not only was he Air Jordan, he was more dedicated to the game and the team than everyone else. You kind of have to shut up and take it at that point

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Better question: If Nico had the skill, why not play to his cost?

He wasn’t the sole problem on offense last year, but he had plenty of issues. It’s simple: if he played better or was an actual game changer, we would have paid him. His skill didn’t warrant a pay raise.

 

[Hulavol]

Because there is more value in telling him to kick rocks. It amounts to not negotiating with terrorists. If he had asked for this in the off-season like MM and Gibson- he might have gotten some more. But what he pulled is unacceptable. And the real value in this is the lesson it just taught the rest of the team. Heupel doesn’t mess around. This was the only correct choice, and I am thrilled with the decision. I hate that it happened in the first place, and I wish Nico nothing but the best - he’s still a kid I sincerely hope he has a wonderful life. But I sure am proud of coach H this morning— and so is his football team! They are going to be galvanized by this - and when they come out of the tunnel in September, there’s gonna be a little extra magical noise coming out of the Neyland crowd!

 

[BigBadVol]

Man it’s easy spending other people’s money huh?

 

[UT97Vol]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

The answer to your question is simple one word.

Precedent.

The university sets the conditions not the individual.

 

[Schui_das]

Dude is right about the other players, that is for sure.

The bottom line is unless he goes to Califuurnia, or Notre Dame he may not have is big money.

I love UT, and want UT to be the best in all our student Athletics. If this NIL is starting this trend. The others will take big notice. Also the International Student Athletics get zero NIL money for their talent.

I'm sure our AD will have a plan.

 

[Zues1]

I don't think this team was going to go 10+ with or without Nico

 

[Schui_das]

Man it’s easy spending other people’s money huh?

Of course it is, but this weekend was difficult for many UT fans, even my 95 year old father who hates paying his alum money to scavengers.

 

[njvols]

Because Nico sucks and isn’t worth what he was being paid, let alone more. That’s the reason we didn’t pay him. We let Rickey Gibson bend us over a barrel, and he is just fairly good, not close to great. This really speaks volumes as to what they think of Nico.

Yeah, it was purely a business decision. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. If he were playing up to level of his payout, he'd have gotten a bigger deal from UT. Heck, I'm sure we threw some stuff at him in performance clauses.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

Your good with paying players whatever they want regardless of production? Glad your not in charge. GBO

 

['Boro-vol]

I know, I know, but why not just psy up and keep playing ball.

Seems now days with million here million there, what's the difference.

Over all the ledger says we lost on Jimmy Cheek, Pruitt and all the rest.

Maybe, just maybe we could be better then 10 and 3 for this year.

This is a contract, they are there to be negotiated. Of course if I break my ADT contract all hell breaks loose.

Also just maybe, ole nico van de maas may come back.

If not sue his ass into submission

Im just saying, GO VOLS

Well…he was barely a top-10 QB in the SEC, let alone the country. “Overvalued” is a word that is highly underrated…the guy that wanted more $$ embodied that word.

 

[MemphisVolFan1978]

2 things I'd consider if I was determining these things, which I'm not, so doesn't matter lol:

Has person A do enough to justify getting a substantial raise?

Will person B, C, D, E, F, G, etc., expect to be raised as well just because person A was? Especially if you just raised person A just because and not by justifiable means....

They'd all have a point.....

This is why a meritocracy is ALWAYS the best system for compensation. Not seniority, tenure, or any other random emotional reasons. Just good ol pure earning it, no.matter who you are or what you look like or smell like

Exactly. There are so many factors that had to go into the decision of whether or not to give in and pay him. Obviously, the primary factors were whether or not he was worth it and whether or not it was worth losing the continuity at the quarterback position by not paying him. They also had to consider what effect it would have on the locker room. We didn’t need a bunch of other players threatening to leave in order to get more pay. Also, don’t need the rest of the team looking at Nico sideways knowing that he was willing to quit on this team. The quarterback needs to be a leader and I think this would have made it difficult for his teammates to see him as such.

I think the coach did the right thing by not giving in. I just hope we don’t lose any other players to the portal because of Nico leaving. I guess we will see what happens when the portal opens this week.

 

[etfisherman]

I've been saving my first post for the right moment..

What ability did you see on that field? We just pay now to say we pay so the next guy knows we'll pay when he underperforms and his dad wants money? What's wrong with you?

 

[EconVol92]

We paid one clipboard year which is understandable, he did not earn the paycheck last year and maybe he would have earned it this year, but his production was not worth what he has already been paid, why give him a raise for being over paid already?