UT Not Happy LSU game Still at Night

[GvHm6]

Originally posted by Vol67@Sep 12, 2005 6:22 AM
You I guess aren't much of a fan since you see nothing wrong with UT having to possibly fly down the day of the game. I guess you see nothing wrong with fans having to go down for a night game when parts of Baton Rouge is under curfew. I guess since ASU saw nothing wrong with it, oops, seems ASU did have a problem with it also. LSU and Stinky Bertman should at least move this to a day game, instead he is looking for every angle to help his team win and using a horrible situation as cover-up for his and his university's classlessness.
UT needs ASU's AD, he at least has some cahones, which obvoiusly Mike Hamilton doesn't.

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I certainly understand that point of view.

otoh, it's my understanding that the Team will have local accomadations. So the traveling day of the game concern is null.
If the team is taken care of properly, then playing the game at night after the hurricane will be no different on the team than it would have been prior. LSU thinks playing at night is an advantage, it was that way prior to the hurricane.

I'm a UT fan, and I see 'our' insistance on moving the event as our trying to take advantage of the situation - I'm sorry. Traditions are those things that bring 'normalcy' back after tragedy. I totally understand the LSU position of trying to get back to normal.

Yes UT fans are being inconvenienced by extended travel and lack of refunds, the locals have endured a lot more than that. I think we need to get over it.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

I don't believe anyone right now is talking about moving the game. And, the article specifically stated that accomidations for the team are unsure.

It is the responsibility of the home institution to make sure the visiting team and staff are accomodated, yet LSU would rather force the issue and fail to live up to that responsibility.

And, as to the responsibilities to the fans coming into town-- these fans are bringing HUNDREDS of THOUDANDS of dollars of income into the city. There are certain obligations that go along with that.

My heart bleeds for the PEOPLE effected by this disaster. My stomach turns at an athletic administration that seeks to use further hardship to win a football game. In the name of normalcy? Someone show me normalcy down there?

 

[GvHm6]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 8:32 AM
Someone show me normalcy down there?

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Playing a football game in Tiger Stadium on Saturday night in Baton Rouge would be 'normal' for this time of year. Does that make everything normal? NO not by a long shot - but it is a step in the right direction IMHO.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 8:32 AM
I don't believe anyone right now is talking about moving the game.  And, the article specifically stated that accomidations for the team are unsure.

It is the responsibility of the home institution to make sure the visiting team and staff are accomodated, yet LSU would rather force the issue and fail to live up to that responsibility.

And, as to the responsibilities to the fans coming into town-- these fans are bringing HUNDREDS of THOUDANDS of dollars of income into the city.  There are certain obligations that go along with that.

My heart bleeds for the PEOPLE effected by this disaster.  My stomach turns at an athletic administration that seeks to use further hardship to win a football game.  In the name of normalcy?  Someone show me normalcy down there?

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k: Excellently stated. Nice to see some common-sense regarding this topic!

 

[GvHm6]

It is the responsibility of the home institution to make sure the visiting team and staff are accomodated, yet LSU would rather force the issue and fail to live up to that responsibility.

Valid point IF applicable. I've been reading that the TEAM will be accomadated.

as to the responsibilities to the fans coming into town-- these fans are bringing HUNDREDS of THOUDANDS of dollars of income into the city.  There are certain obligations that go along with that.

What obligations? Beyond the terms of service in any 'contract' you engaged in, what obligations does LSU/Baton Rouge owe you to attend their game? How are they being breached?

My stomach turns at an athletic administration that seeks to use further hardship to win a football game.

How does moving the game time benefit anyone other than UT fans?

 

[TRIVol]

It benefits the THOUSANDS of LSU fans that don't happen to live in Baton Rouge. I hope you do realize that there are those of them that have to travel from far away locations as well. It's assine to "in spite of, a tragedy like this", STILL attempt to play their silly little game at the time that they want to.

I agree about the refunds too, although I don't think Hamilton or Tennessee would have issued refunds, I DO think Hamilton would have moved the game time if the show were on the other foot.

I read where the AD or Chancelor made some comment about how "if the Tennessee fans don't want to come down and drive back after the game, they can give thier tickets to evacuees, but there will be no refunds". Yeah, that's a viable solution right there isnt it?

I'll be honest, I'm a little TIRED of GIVING GIVING GIVING. IT's time they start doing for themselves down there and get back on their feet.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by GvHm6@Sep 12, 2005 10:05 AM
Valid point IF applicable. I've been reading that the TEAM will be accomadated.

What obligations? Beyond the terms of service in any 'contract' you engaged in, what obligations does LSU/Baton Rouge owe you to attend their game? How are they being breached?

How does moving the game time benefit anyone other than UT fans?

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I've been reading quotes that the team's accomodations are anything BUT assured.

I guess that is the difference between your mindset and mine. I am speaking to common decency, and you are thinking about legal requirements.

Moving the game time would help more louisiana fans than UT fans actually. As to whether it helps UT fans though, I guess it goes back to the common decency I spoke of above.

You are a classy dude, 6. If the rest of the country had the same "I only have to think about myself, legally..." additude as you and LSU AD, then the louisiana residents would still be swimming in toxic water. Sometimes it's about doing the right thing.

 

[red55]

A few comments that everybody seems to be missing, and with all due respect:

1. ESPN will set the game time, not LSU. The game is a sellout and the stadium will be full.

2. This isn't about inconveniencing Tennessee fans. Many more LSU fans will not be able to get rooms than Tennessee fans. Any inconvenience is fully shared.

3. LSU is not trying to make changes that will cause UT to have a disadvantage. LSU is trying to play the game with as few changes from the original plan as possible. We are trying to save our season.

4. LSU has already had two games of its season impacted by the storm. We are now ready to play football at home again, the game will not be moved. LSU is not going to destroy its football season over hotel room availability and neither would Tennessee under the circumstances. You guys are dreaming if you think LSU or any other school is going to shoot itself in the foot to make a few out-of-state travellers happy.

5. We have gone through an awful lot in south Louisiana in the last two weeks and nobody has been unaffected. We are getting our lives back to normal as fast as possible. Visitors from Tennessee are not victims. We know victims.

6. However badly this disaster affects a few thousand travellers from Tennessee, when you compare it with the impact it has had on people around here it absolutely shrinks to insignificance. Some of you are right, people at LSU don't really give a chit about your hotel reservation problems right now. I'm sorry. It won't be like this every year, fellas. You could cut us a little slack.

 

[GvHm6]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 9:58 AM
You are a classy dude, 6.  If the rest of the country had the same "I only have to think about myself, legally..." additude as you and LSU AD, then the louisiana residents would still be swimming in toxic water.  Sometimes it's about doing the right thing.

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It wasn't me that brought up the concept of LSU/Baton Rouge being obligated to UT fans carrying money. I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong if you show me an area where obligations are being breached. I see inconveniences but no breached obligations.

If traveling LSU fans are equally or even moreso being inconvenienced, it further illustrates that this is not an issue of LSU trying to get an upper hand in a football game (moreso than night games in Death Valley are traditionally an advantage to the home team).

I agree with Red55 on all points.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by red55@Sep 12, 2005 11:05 AM
A few comments that everybody seems to be missing, and with all due respect:

1. ESPN will set the game time, not LSU. The game is a sellout and the stadium will be full.

2. This isn't about inconveniencing Tennessee fans. Many more LSU fans will not be able to get rooms than Tennessee fans. Any inconvenience is fully shared.

3. LSU is not trying to make changes that will cause UT to have a disadvantage. LSU is trying to play the game with as few changes from the original plan as possible. We are trying to save our season.

4. LSU has already had two games of its season impacted by the storm. We are now ready to play football at home again, the game will not be moved. LSU is not going to destroy its football season over hotel room availability and neither would Tennessee under the circumstances. You guys are dreaming if you think LSU or any other school is going to shoot itself in the foot to make a few out-of-state travellers happy.

5. We have gone through an awful lot in south Louisiana in the last two weeks and nobody has been unaffected. We are getting our lives back to normal as fast as possible. Visitors from Tennessee are not victims. We know victims.

6. However badly this disaster affects a few thousand travellers from Tennessee, when you compare it with the impact it has had on people around here it absolutely shrinks to insignificance. Some of you are right, people at LSU don't really give a chit about your hotel reservation problems right now. I'm sorry. It won't be like this every year, fellas. You could cut us a little slack.

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Valid points.

Except that LSUs AD is quoted as pushing the night game. Except that LSU officials are quoted that they can't promise UTs team and staff accomodations prior to or after the game. Except that you can try all you want to play the game as if nothing has happened, but much HAS HAPPENED! Except that if you have to force the game against an unrested opponent to salvage you season, then what are you trading to get it?

And, don't come on here and lecture us about humanity. UT, the state of TN, the citizens of TN and the rest of the nation has rallied around the effected regions. We have donated clothes, food, cash, and anything else imaginable for those effected there. But that doesn't mean we have to kiss LSUs ass when they make it virtually impossible logistically for their paying customers to attend their event when they could EASILY change a simple start time, oh yeah, and then after killing us with logistics they inform us that they will uphold the no-refuund policy. Nice.

Go home with your lectures.

 

[kiddiedoc]

1. ESPN will set the game time, not LSU. The game is a sellout and the stadium will be full.

The LSU AD is on record pushing for a night game. And, don't be so sure about the attendance. It's already well-known that many people have lost both plane tickets and hotel reservations for travel, not to mention the safety concerns, especially at night.

2. This isn't about inconveniencing Tennessee fans. Many more LSU fans will not be able to get rooms than Tennessee fans. Any inconvenience is fully shared.

Exactly. Even more reason to play earlier.

3. . . . . We are trying to save our season.

:blink: How exactly is the game time relevant to that? Nonsensical comment.

4. . . .We are now ready to play football at home again, the game will not be moved. LSU is not going to destroy its football season over hotel room availability and neither would Tennessee under the circumstances. You guys are dreaming if you think LSU or any other school is going to shoot itself in the foot to make a few out-of-state travellers happy

Ditto as to #3. And, not requesting a change in venue, only time.

5. We have gone through an awful lot in south Louisiana in the last two weeks and nobody has been unaffected. We are getting our lives back to normal as fast as possible. Visitors from Tennessee are not victims. We know victims.

6. However badly this disaster affects a few thousand travellers from Tennessee, when you compare it with the impact it has had on people around here it absolutely shrinks to insignificance. Some of you are right, people at LSU don't really give a chit about your hotel reservation problems right now. I'm sorry. It won't be like this every year, fellas. You could cut us a little slack..

Get off your soapbox. We feel your pain and have sent millions of dollars in cash and supplies, as well as countless volunteers. Don't twist this into a "they don't care about us" argument. Using tragedy as blind defense of illogical decision-making and putting travelers at undue risk is unfair and unethical. Why make things worse by making travel dangerous or impossible for family fans of BOTH teams?


That's one of the most poorly thought-out posts I've read in a while, and I disagree with you on ALL points.

 

[hatvol96]

I've got an idea. Why don't we have a benefit where people can donate towels for the crybaby wing of Vol Nation. Given the atrocities heaped upon these poor souls by Skip Bertman, I'm sure Americans would donate in record numbers.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Sep 12, 2005 12:10 PM
I've got an idea. Why don't we have a benefit where people can donate towels for the crybaby wing of Vol Nation. Given the atrocities heaped upon these poor souls by Skip Bertman, I'm sure Americans would donate in record numbers.

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I count at least 4 well-written and thought-out defenses to the UT "crybaby" position, and you give us this...

OK. Whatever. We'll try to type slower in the future so you can follow us.

 

[patrick]

What I want to know is how many of these posters are actually going to the game?

I had a flight into New Orleans so that I could go see the game. My best friend and his family have been living with his mother-in-law in Lafayette LA since the hurricane because they had to evacute. He is a LSU fan and most of the LSU faithful want the game to be played as it was scheduled.

A week ago I rerouted my flight to Baton Rouge and have secured a hotel room in Lafayette.

Lafayette is approximately 60 miles from Baton Rouge. There are rooms still availble in Lafayette. I would venture a guess that most Tennessee fans mkaing the trip were not staying in Baton Rouge but rather New Orleans. Get a room in Lafayette!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jmxvol]

What does it matter? this is a game we should win either way...

 

[bamaman]

[get a hold of yourself man they are going through so much down there and all u can think about is a stupid football game, it sucks that you'll be 1-2 after the next 2 weeks

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 11:39 AM
I count at least 4 well-written and thought-out defenses to the UT "crybaby" position, and you give us this...

OK.  Whatever.  We'll try to type slower in the future so you can follow us.

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If those responses are your definition of "well written and thought-out", I certainly hope you aren't in a position that requires critical thinking.
There is absolutely no justification, intellectual or otherwise, for our fans to whine and moan. LSU is under NO OBLIGATION to cater and pander to us. I'll be at the game. Will I be inconvenienced? Yes. Will I snivel like a 5 year old who doesn't get his way? NO!

 

[GAVol]

Bamaman, you better just worry about beating SC next week. You guys are going to get all you want from the Ole Ball Coach.

 

[hatvol96]

What I want to know is how many of these posters are actually going to the game?

I had a flight into New Orleans so that I could go see the game. My best friend and his family have been living with his mother-in-law in Lafayette LA since the hurricane because they had to evacute. He is a LSU fan and most of the LSU faithful want the game to be played as it was scheduled.

A week ago I rerouted my flight to Baton Rouge and have secured a hotel room in Lafayette.

Lafayette is approximately 60 miles from Baton Rouge. There are rooms still availble in Lafayette. I would venture a guess that most Tennessee fans mkaing the trip were not staying in Baton Rouge but rather New Orleans. Get a room in Lafayette!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HALLELUJAH! Good to see a Vol fan taking initiative instead of whining.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Sep 12, 2005 1:20 PM
If those responses are your definition of "well written and thought-out", I certainly hope you aren't in a position that requires critical thinking.
There is absolutely no justification, intellectual or otherwise, for our fans to whine and moan. LSU is under NO OBLIGATION to cater and pander to us. I'll be at the game. Will I be inconvenienced? Yes. Will I snivel like a 5 year old who doesn't get his way? NO!

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You've offered 2 additions to this discussion, both of which making it personal, hyper-emotional, and neither of which logically refuting anything.

Either offer a valid argument or go away. But name calling and insults aren't a valid debating tactic.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 12:26 PM
You've offered 2 additions to this discussion, both of which making it personal, hyper-emotional, and neither of which logically refuting anything.

Either offer a valid argument or go away.  But name calling and insults aren't a valid debating tactic.

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Gee, that really stings. I'm sorry I don't drink the "Everyone is out to get UT" Kool-Aid. The "valid argument" you request is elementary. It is LSU's home game. It apparently will be played at night. UT and their fans have two choices. One, suck it up and move forward.(The position I am advancing.) In the alternative, we could choose to rant and rave about the unfairness of it all and look like absolute fools to the rest of the college football world.(The position taken by a sustantial portion of this board.)

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Sep 12, 2005 1:36 PM
Gee, that really stings. I'm sorry I don't drink the "Everyone is out to get UT" Kool-Aid. The "valid argument" you request is elementary. It is LSU's home game. It apparently will be played at night. UT and their fans have two choices. One, suck it up and move forward.(The position I am advancing.) In the alternative, we could choose to rant and rave about the unfairness of it all and look like absolute fools to the rest of the college football world.(The position taken by a sustantial portion of this board.)

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I've got to say, while I think some of the statements coming from the LSU AD are a little disingenuous, there's no point in doing anything other than figure out how to deal with it.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I already shot down all 6 of the "justifications" for playing the game at night. The push by the LSU AD is documented. The risks of playing at night, with travel and the social conditions of the area, should be obvious. The lack of accommodations including flights and hotels is evident. I'm not sure how bored, argumentative, or ignorant a person has to be to deny any or all of the above.

I have yet to "whine" or "cry," but I believe that the inconvenience is uncalled for and the danger is both real and avoidable.

Oh, and YES, I will be there.

 

[GvHm6]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Sep 12, 2005 12:26 PM
But name calling and insults aren't a valid debating tactic.

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Does this apply to your inference that I lacked class? If so, your apology will be accepted.

Orange, I've seen one well thought out and written argument in favor of moving the game time. That is the one that does not insure accomadations for the team.
The other three that you say are there, well, frankly i just don't see them.

 

[geauxscott]

First off, Bertman is pushing to keep this a night game becuase that is what the LSU fans want (and remember that is what matters).....he is also pushing because he in fact doesn't have the final say so, ESPN does!! If the decision was totally up to him, why would he have to push?

Second, all evacuees are planned to be off of LSU's campus by mid week of this week.......there will be more and more hotels opening up. Hotels will not be a problem.

Its not dangerous here, there is nothing different other than more traffic......stop reading into this so much. I live here and other than extra traffic nothing is different now.

Get over it, your playing at night in Tiger Stadium!