UT vs. Arkansas - Game #2 - 7PM

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He has pitched really well this year - I am starting to wonder how we can be better next year without our only quality SEC level pitcher - How many SEC wins does the rest of the staff have? What round/range does everyone think Godley will get drafted - Top 3 ?
 
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NashvilleFan said:
He has pitched really well this year - I am starting to wonder how we can be better next year without our only quality SEC level pitcher - How many SEC wins does the rest of the staff have? What round/range does everyone think Godley will get drafted - Top 3 ?
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Godley isn't nearly that high. Perfect game had him number 19 in the state of Tennessee. 10-20 round is my guess


I was shocked he wasn't higher
 
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BruinVol said:
Godley isn't nearly that high. Perfect game had him number 19 in the state of Tennessee. 10-20 round is my guess


I was shocked he wasn't higher
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A bit lower than I expected, but not surpised to see him outside of the top 5 rounds especially since this is pretty strong draft for pitchers
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#141
Also for those of you worrying about starting pitching here are a few other pitchers freshman stats:

Mark Appel: 2-1, 5.92 era
Sean Manaea: 5-5 4.97 era
Braden Shipley: played shortstop
Ryne Stanek: 4-2 3.94 era (nearly every start came in midweek games and nonconference series early in the season)
Bobby Wahl: 0-2 4.80 ERA

All of these guys are now projected in the first round of the mlb draft. We'll have Williams back next year. Q, Owenby, and Cox while inconsistent as freshman have shown flashes that they will be SEC quality pitchers.
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vol2013 said:
Also for those of you worrying about starting pitching here are a few other pitchers freshman stats:

Mark Appel: 2-1, 5.92 era
Sean Manaea: 5-5 4.97 era
Braden Shipley: played shortstop
Ryne Stanek: 4-2 3.94 era (nearly every start came in midweek games and nonconference series early in the season)
Bobby Wahl: 0-2 4.80 ERA

All of these guys are now projected in the first round of the mlb draft. We'll have Williams back next year. Q, Owenby, and Cox while inconsistent as freshman have shown flashes that they will be SEC quality pitchers.
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Great post. Elite stuff struggles in the freshmen year almost always.

The question is do our guys have elite stuff. IMO no
 
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BruinVol said:
Great post. Elite stuff struggles in the freshmen year almost always.

The question is do our guys have elite stuff. IMO no
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I tend to agree. I think we've got some solid weekend pitchers, but are lacking an elite ace (we've also got some that I'll be a bit surprised if they ever do much though). Unfortunately the first potential ace Serrano has recruited here is looking less and less likely to end up on campus.
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BruinVol said:
Godley isn't nearly that high. Perfect game had him number 19 in the state of Tennessee. 10-20 round is my guess


I was shocked he wasn't higher
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The kid just knows how to pitch and can finish- Someone is getting a steal in my opinion - I am really concerned about next year - I just don't see a quality Friday Night Starter and No Freshman can be expected to do that - Even if Kyle Serrano is the Real Deal pitching him on Friday Night as a freshman might ruin his confidence- Need to improve on offense as well which will help the pitching - My Goal for next year is win half the conference games which will be very tough without a good Friday Night Starter.....
 
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If Owenby can throw strikes on a consistent basis he could very well develop into a quality friday night starter, I really do like his stuff. In extended appearances he has been tough to hit, his walk rate has just been too high. We'll also have Kidd back next year, Andy Cox provided some starts that showed promise early in the year if he can get past 4 innings next year he could be an option in the rotation, similar to Cox Q has had some good outings for 3 or 4 innings, and then Nick Williams could be another quality option if he becomes more consistent (i.e. his performance against Florida). As I've said for awhile though my expectations for this team are going to remain fairly low and I will remain fairly nonjudgmental about the direction of this program until this current group of pitchers are Juniors. To be successful in this league you you need 3 consistent starters that will give you 6.0+ innings on a fairly consistent basis which often does not really start to happen until junior year. For example look at Ziomek's first year in the starting rotation as a sophomore last year with his 5-6 record and 5.22 ERA, and now look at him in his juniour year he is 8-3 with 3 CG, 84 Ks, and a 2.12 ERA. Now I don't think we have a Ziomek type prospect on the roster currently, but I also don't think this program is at a point where we can reasonably expect to be an elite program in the foreseeable future. This program was in the cellar of the SEC when Serrano took over and we are going to have to atleast become a middle of the road SEC team before we even think about becoming elite. That being said the progression of Ziomek tends to be mirrored by all pitchers just with a lower starting point and not as high of a ceiling. For example look at Ole Miss's rotation. Bobby Wahl was 0-2 with a 4.80 era averaging 1.5 inning an appearance mostly out of the bullpen. His sophomore year he was inserted as a starter and went 7-4 with a 2.55 era averaging 5.8 innings per appearance. This year he is 8-0 down to a 1.22 era, and averaging nearly seven innings per outing. Mike Mayers worked his freshman year mostly out of the pen with a 5.10 era, and just over an inning per appearance on average. His sophomore year he started 15 games going 6-3 with a 3.50 era and averaging 5.1 innings per outing. This year his era is down to 2.98 averaging 5.8 innings per outing. The third spot in the rotation has changed quite a bit this year, but recently it has been Sam Smith. His freshman year in 9 starts he had an era of 5.80 and pitched an average of 2.7 innings. This year his era is down to 3.49 while averaging about 4.5 innings per appearance.
 
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vol2013 said:
Also for those of you worrying about starting pitching here are a few other pitchers freshman stats:

Mark Appel: 2-1, 5.92 era
Sean Manaea: 5-5 4.97 era
Braden Shipley: played shortstop
Ryne Stanek: 4-2 3.94 era (nearly every start came in midweek games and nonconference series early in the season)
Bobby Wahl: 0-2 4.80 ERA

All of these guys are now projected in the first round of the mlb draft. We'll have Williams back next year. Q, Owenby, and Cox while inconsistent as freshman have shown flashes that they will be SEC quality pitchers.
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Proof that statistics, properly tortured, can be made to confess anything.

Most of these guys are 6'4" or close to it, were throwing 92 in high school, drafted out of high school as high as the 3rd round or lower only because of signability, and were nationally known prospects. Stanek, Wahl, and Appel were Top 100 prospects. Manaea is the exception: he gained 10 mph in college.

Which of our undersized, mid-80's pitchers do you think compare to these elite pitchers?
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Proof that statistics, properly tortured, can be made to confess anything.

Most of these guys are 6'4" or close to it, were throwing 92 in high school, drafted out of high school as high as the 3rd round or lower only because of signability, and were nationally known prospects. Stanek, Wahl, and Appel were Top 100 prospects. Manaea is the exception: he gained 10 mph in college.

Which of our undersized, mid-80's pitchers do you think compare to these elite pitchers?
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Read his next post.
 
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BruinVol said:
Read his next post.
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Ok.

His next post makes some effort at being more circumspect, but it still drags out random statistics to encourage the wishful thinking that our freshmen pitchers might be on the same path as national elite pitchers who might have had similar ERA's as freshmen but who also had better velocity, stuff, and projection.

I'm not saying Serrano can't make them into more effective college pitchers by next year. He's done that before with previously undrafted pitchers at his previous coaching stops, and I hope to see him do it again with some of these guys. But the comparisons to the imminent first rounders seem over the top. JMO.
 
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vol2013 said:
If Owenby can throw strikes on a consistent basis he could very well develop into a quality friday night starter, I really do like his stuff. In extended appearances he has been tough to hit, his walk rate has just been too high. We'll also have Kidd back next year, Andy Cox provided some starts that showed promise early in the year if he can get past 4 innings next year he could be an option in the rotation, similar to Cox Q has had some good outings for 3 or 4 innings, and then Nick Williams could be another quality option if he becomes more consistent (i.e. his performance against Florida). As I've said for awhile though my expectations for this team are going to remain fairly low and I will remain fairly nonjudgmental about the direction of this program until this current group of pitchers are Juniors. To be successful in this league you you need 3 consistent starters that will give you 6.0+ innings on a fairly consistent basis which often does not really start to happen until junior year. For example look at Ziomek's first year in the starting rotation as a sophomore last year with his 5-6 record and 5.22 ERA, and now look at him in his juniour year he is 8-3 with 3 CG, 84 Ks, and a 2.12 ERA. Now I don't think we have a Ziomek type prospect on the roster currently, but I also don't think this program is at a point where we can reasonably expect to be an elite program in the foreseeable future. This program was in the cellar of the SEC when Serrano took over and we are going to have to atleast become a middle of the road SEC team before we even think about becoming elite. That being said the progression of Ziomek tends to be mirrored by all pitchers just with a lower starting point and not as high of a ceiling. For example look at Ole Miss's rotation. Bobby Wahl was 0-2 with a 4.80 era averaging 1.5 inning an appearance mostly out of the bullpen. His sophomore year he was inserted as a starter and went 7-4 with a 2.55 era averaging 5.8 innings per appearance. This year he is 8-0 down to a 1.22 era, and averaging nearly seven innings per outing. Mike Mayers worked his freshman year mostly out of the pen with a 5.10 era, and just over an inning per appearance on average. His sophomore year he started 15 games going 6-3 with a 3.50 era and averaging 5.1 innings per outing. This year his era is down to 2.98 averaging 5.8 innings per outing. The third spot in the rotation has changed quite a bit this year, but recently it has been Sam Smith. His freshman year in 9 starts he had an era of 5.80 and pitched an average of 2.7 innings. This year his era is down to 3.49 while averaging about 4.5 innings per appearance.
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I'm glad you mentioned Kidd...he had the third most starts last year and hopefully he'll be fully recovered. I'm also curious what ya'll think about Andrew Lee's chances of being some help. He certainly was more acclaimed coming out of high school, than some of our other arms.
 
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#150
Coaches were very high on Andrew Lee's chances of being a quality starter on the mound. He has the size (6'5") and as a HS senior was throwing in the 92 mph range before the injury. He has a stronger arm than any of the current freshmen and has a chance to be in the mix next year.

UT has also offered a walk on status to Eric Freeman of Farragut. Missed the last half of his JR year and all of his Sr year to Tommy John surgery but he has size 6'5" and was high upper 80s before the injury. He will need some work but has a plus curve ball and good velo to go with his size. He should be a contributor at some point in the next 2-3 years.

Also, I know it wasn't in the SEC but Serrano has made a history of making it to the CWS using pitchers who threw in the mid to upper 80s but were able to change speeds and locate multiple pitches. Any of the pitchers on the current staff could reach that point at any time in their careers with work and confidence.
 
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