UVA Player Hunger Strike

#26
#26
Ima tell y'all something it sucks cleaning up other people's mess and they look down on you like trash as you clean up their mess. I feel for those people cuz I've been there. I do have a HS diploma and the field that I'm in now I had experience in.
 
#27
#27
TheDeeble said:
I'm not knocking someone for doing what they have to. Plenty of people have improved themselves.

But low skill jobs shouldn't pay that great. Anyone can push a broom or empty garbage cans or similiar type of work. There's no special skill involved. That's why better paying jobs pay better. Education, experience, skill, something is required.

Just because someone works 40 hours a week doesn't mean they deserve a bunch of money if they have a job a high school student is qualified for.
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I still think your opinion is arrogant and conceded. But that's your opinion. It's more to costodial work than pushing a broom and emptying and garbage can. May I ask what your occupation is? I bet you have never got your hands dirty before?
 
#28
#28
Coach Grizz said:
I still think your opinion is arrogant and conceded. But that's your opinion. It's more to costodial work than pushing a broom and emptying and garbage can. May I ask what your occupation is? I bet you have never got your hands dirty before?
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Aircraft maintenance. Tell me again about getting my hands dirty.

There's nothing arrogant about it. I'm not knocking the person. It's just it's a low skill job. I'm not letting emotion drive my thoughts process to think that it should pay great just because someone works 40 hours a week.
 
#29
#29
TheDeeble said:
Aircraft maintenance. Tell me again about getting my hands dirty.

There's nothing arrogant about it. I'm not knocking the person. It's just it's a low skill job. I'm not letting emotion drive my thoughts process to think that it should pay great just because someone works 40 hours a week.
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Water and sewer utility worker here.

I understand you and I have skilled positions and we make more than a cook at Waffle house or a custodian at a school but if you work your deserve a bone tossed your way. Yes I'm using my emotions in my argument cuz I've been there. If you had been in my shoes you would feel the same.
 
#30
#30
Coach Grizz said:
Water and sewer utility worker here.

I understand you and I have skilled positions and we make more than a cook at Waffle house or a custodian at a school but if you work your deserve a bone tossed your way. Yes I'm using my emotions in my argument cuz I've been there. If you had been in my shoes you would feel the same.
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What do you think is an "acceptable" salary (or wages) for a janitor, for instance?
 
#31
#31
Coach Grizz said:
Water and sewer utility worker here.

I understand you and I have skilled positions and we make more than a cook at Waffle house or a custodian at a school but if you work your deserve a bone tossed your way. Yes I'm using my emotions in my argument cuz I've been there. If you had been in my shoes you would feel the same.
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They are getting a bone tossed their way. Just not a big bone. If someone wants a bigger bone, then it probably requires finding a job that requires education, licenses, previous experience....something like that. Something that would make them a person in demand.

And yes I have been there. I'd bet most adults have had a low skill job at some point in their life. I had one and I knew exactly what it was. A job that I didn't want to do forever. I did it to go through school and get my foot into the aviation door. And I certainly didn't expect to be paid great just because I worked there for a while. Anymore assumptions you want to make about me?

I'm not saying this to be a jerk or anything. I just don't see the reasoning behind someone believing people deserve good money doing a job literally anyone can do when other people get education, skills, ect and don't make much more.
 
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#32
#32
Pepe_Silvia said:
What do you think is an "acceptable" salary (or wages) for a janitor, for instance?
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When I was a custodian I made $7.50 an hour for four years. That's it. I dont know what the adverage custodian makes across the country so I'm gonna say starting pay $9.50 top out at $14. That is if they do a good job, work hard, show up etc.
 
#33
#33
TheDeeble said:
They are getting a bone tossed their way. Just not a big bone. If someone wants a bigger bone, then it probably requires finding a job that requires education, licenses, previous experience....something like that. Something that would make them a person in demand.

And yes I have been there. I'd bet most adults have had a low skill job at some point in their life. I had one and I knew exactly
what it was. A job that I didn't want to do
forever. I did it to go through school and get
my foot into the aviation door. And I
certainly didn't expect to be paid great just
because I worked there for a while.
Anymore assumptions you want to make
about me?

I'm not saying this to be a jerk or anything. I just don't see the reasoning behind someone believing people deserve good money doing a job literally anyone can do when other people get education, skills, ect and don't make much more.
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well I reckon we will never agree....
 
#34
#34
Coach Grizz said:
I agree cuz my big ass love to eat lol.


I agree though people in the service industry deserve more pay. I was a custodian and maintenance man for 4 years. I busted my ass, pay sucked, no raise, no benefits.... Datgum it sucked!! I got a better job now but I feel for those working in that field.
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The idea of "deserving more pay" in the modern era is absurd.
 
#37
#37
There are people who show up everyday and bust their tail for very little. Those people probably deserve a chance at advancement and/or a better wage. However the fact is the market will bear the maximum salary for any job. The job market rewards creativity, intelligence and hard work. That is the key to more money not because someone thinks they deserve it. If your job doesn't require those three things it is probably going to be low paying.

My father was born and raised in the slums of NYC. He retired a computer specialist from IBM. My mother was born and raised in low income housing in NYC and never graduated high school. She has a degree in Accounting with masters in education and is a high school teacher. They never complained about deserving more pay. They worked at not only at their jobs but also at finding & seizing opportunities.

I truly sympathize with people in low paying jobs and perhaps the employer should pay them more but sitting around complaining about it is not the solution. The employee should take action. Find a better job. Get more education. The opportunities are there. People need to take advantage of them. Unfortunately people get in comfort zone and don't want to change. So they become stuck in the same place.
 
#38
#38
If they are unhappy with what janitorial work pays, then they can go get another job!

If nobody finds the pay commensurate to the skills needed to be a janitor, then nobody would take the job, and the employer would have to raise the pay. This isn't a difficult notion. And the fact that you were able to move on from that position is proof the system works. Your grandfathers story reinforced the point further.
 
#40
#40
BigPapaVol said:
Why? Unless conscription or slavery is part of the deal, what someone deserves is a stupid argument. People deserve nothing.
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I asked you to elaborate because you made a statement and didn't explain anything, and I was curious.
 
#41
#41
golfballs03 said:
If they are unhappy with what janitorial work pays, then they can go get another job!

If nobody finds the pay commensurate to the skills needed to be a janitor, then nobody would take the job, and the employer would have to raise the pay. This isn't a difficult notion. And the fact that you were able to move on from that position is proof the system works. Your grandfathers story
reinforced the point further.
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Looking back on it there was no where for improvement or to move up. Though the job I have now does not require further education (except for Dept head) there are oppertunities to move up and make DAMN good money. We get step raises etc. So now I see where no raises for service industry workers but I still think they should get a little more than what they are getting.
 
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