Vandy AD Resigns

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So this guy was responsible for an unwarranted extension and a really bad hire?

Who is Mike Hamilton.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Vandy operates totally different than every other SEC team. Purple Tiger is totally correct. That was totally a Williams deal signed off by Vandy higher ups before Williams left. Turner as AD has to come out in support of a coach he knows he can’t fire.
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What evidence do you have that the Athletic Director at Vanderbilt doesn't have the authority to fire or extend the football as he sees fit? He fired Bryce Drew easily enough, or is that different because it's basketball?
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
No offense to Ms Lee but not sure I would want to be AD right now? Someone will have to fire Mason and staff at the end of the year and pay off all of their contracts. They will average 5,000, at best, fans at non SEC home games this year. They will also have to decide about their Women’s basketball coach at the end of this season or next. Word is still out on Coach Stackhouse. Seems like a good guy not sure yet if he is the answer.
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That was Allen Iverson, completely different guy.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
No offense to Ms Lee but not sure I would want to be AD right now? Someone will have to fire Mason and staff at the end of the year and pay off all of their contracts. They will average 5,000, at best, fans at non SEC home games this year. They will also have to decide about their Women’s basketball coach at the end of this season or next. Word is still out on Coach Stackhouse. Seems like a good guy not sure yet if he is the answer.
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Are you kidding? She has it made. Results wont matter. She is the first...blah...blah....that is enough to keep Vandy happy.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Please. How many outgoing ADs have the power to stipulate that the incoming AD has to keep the current football coach? Turner even came out in support of Mason in early November of last year after the rumblings started about whether he would be Vandy's coach in 2020.
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The Chancellor backed AD David Williams' extension of Mason. Turner did what he was told to do.

A lot of ADs give a coach his/her support and then fire them at the end of the season. Turner wanted to fire Mason but couldn't because of buyout issues.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
The Chancellor backed AD David Williams' extension of Mason. Turner did what he was told to do.

A lot of ADs give a coach his/her support and then fire them at the end of the season. Turner wanted to fire Mason but couldn't because of buyout issues.
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Right. Vandy with it's $4+ billion dollar endowment, who gets their annual $40 + million cut of SEC revenues, and has alumni who will give $5 million dollar donations for their crappy basketball program, couldn't scare up enough money to fire Derek Mason.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Right. Vandy with it's $4+ billion dollar endowment, who gets their annual $40 + million cut of SEC revenues, and has alumni who will give $5 million dollar donations for their crappy basketball program, couldn't scare up enough money to fire Derek Mason.
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First of all, VU will never spend a dime of its endowment on athletics. None of the academic schools will ever do that. A lot of the SEC money they get funds athletic scholarships, each of which costs nearly $70,000 per year.

Do you read Nashville newspapers or listen to sports talk here? I do. What I said about Turner wanting to fire Mason and being told no because of buyout funds is widely known in Middle TN. Turner blew an entire AD $17 million rainy day fund, some of which could have been used to buy out Mason. Financial mismanagement is why Turner was fired.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
First of all, VU will never spend a dime of its endowment on athletics. None of the academic schools will ever do that. A lot of the SEC money they get funds athletic scholarships, each of which costs nearly $70,000 per year.

Do you read Nashville newspapers or listen to sports talk here? I do. What I said about Turner wanting to fire Mason and being told no because of buyout funds is widely known in Middle TN. Turner blew an entire AD $17 million rainy day fund, some of which could have been used to buy out Mason. Financial mismanagement is why Turner was fired.
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Lol...so you believe that athletes on scholarship are "costing" Vanderbilt $70k/year? Vandy has a grand total of ~350 student athletes total, not all of which are on scholarship, and total sports revenue of ~$56 million/year, that's before any donations or specific athletic endowment funds are taken into consideration. The overall yearly revenue of the school is $1.3 billion. With the lowest student population in the SEC, they have the highest per-student endowment funds at $322,000/student. They barely spend any money on their stadium or their facilities, spending almost the bare minimum to keep running the program.

Turner might have been garbage at managing money, I don't know considering Vandy's track records of not wanting to spend money on athletics, but it's not lack of money that drives their decision making.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol...so you believe that athletes on scholarship are "costing" Vanderbilt $70k/year? Vandy has a grand total of ~350 student athletes total, not all of which are on scholarship, and total sports revenue of ~$56 million/year, that's before any donations or specific athletic endowment funds are taken into consideration. The overall yearly revenue of the school is $1.3 billion. With the lowest student population in the SEC, they have the highest per-student endowment funds at $322,000/student. They barely spend any money on their stadium or their facilities, spending almost the bare minimum to keep running the program.

Turner might have been garbage at managing money, I don't know considering Vandy's track records of not wanting to spend money on athletics, but it's not lack of money that drives their decision making.
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All scholarship players tuition is paid for out of the athletics budget($43million gets run thru quick). The Academic side does not give them a discount. Vanderbilt was a financial mess before Turner and will continue to be until the Academic and Athletic departments learn to co-exist and work together to better the atmosphere. Till then Vandy will Vandy.
 
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VOLFAN_MTSUALUM said:
All scholarship players tuition is paid for out of the athletics budget($43million gets run thru quick). The Academic side does not give them a discount. Vanderbilt was a financial mess before Turner and will continue to be until the Academic and Athletic departments learn to co-exist and work together to better the atmosphere. Till then Vandy will Vandy.
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If the NCAA would let them put all of their 350 athletes on scholarship, and the school took 100% of tuition costs from the Athletic department funds, it would still only be ~$25 million. The reality is that they don't pay anywhere near 100% of tuition for any of their athletes, and their own policies put them at a disadvantage when you are trying to sell Vandy to an athlete and telling them that they will still have to pay ~$30k/year to attend even though they are a 4* football player who could literally go to a school in their state of residence on scholarship for basically free.
 
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BeardedVol said:
If the NCAA would let them put all of their 350 athletes on scholarship, and the school took 100% of tuition costs from the Athletic department funds, it would still only be ~$25 million. The reality is that they don't pay anywhere near 100% of tuition for any of their athletes, and their own policies put them at a disadvantage when you are trying to sell Vandy to an athlete and telling them that they will still have to pay ~$30k/year to attend even though they are a 4* football player who could literally go to a school in their state of residence on scholarship for basically free.
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You forget that VU gives total tuition awards for any student who is financially qualified to receive them. That is a ton of money each year. Most athletes qualify for those awards. People say it gives them an unfair advantage in baseball, if you recall. Your scenario above is untrue because football and mens/womens basketball team scholarships are for 100% of tuition, books and board.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
Vanderbilt parts ways with AD Malcolm Turner. The guy had been on the job for one year. Remember, Turner fired Bryce Drew after being on the job for less than two months. Drew had one tourney appearance in three seasons, and had lost lottery pick/PG Darius Garland for the season.
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IMO that was pretty messed up letting cutting Drew loose. IIRC Bryce had a very good recruiting class coming in when he got the axe.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
You forget that VU gives total tuition awards for any student who is financially qualified to receive them. That is a ton of money each year. Most athletes qualify for those awards. People say it gives them an unfair advantage in baseball, if you recall. Your scenario above is untrue because football and mens/womens basketball team scholarships are for 100% of tuition, books and board.
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Key words being financially qualified. If you are a 4* athlete from Florida, why would go to Vandy if you are from a middle-class home where you are going to be footing the bill for what your athletic scholarship doesn't cover to the tune of tens-of-thousands of dollars each year, when you can stay home and play for Florida where tuition without any scholarship is only $6,300?
 
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Bottom line is the Vandy athletic department is a joke, the budget is a joke, the commitment to athletic excellence is a joke. They brought in someone who wasn't prepared to run it, and even if he was he would have been so soured by his limitations that he wouldn't have stayed long term.

Vandy got what it wanted though, someone familiar with running the athletic department on SEC welfare who will protect the status quo. Sad really, I used to try to defend Vandy's status and legitimacy in the SEC but it's become apparent that argument is moot. No one there cares about the sports that generate money.

Sad for all three of their die hard fans.
 
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Vandy has baseball. They build Lee like she’s been there a long time at a successful athletic program. That’s a joke!
 
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GreveHaller said:
its amazing that Tim Corbin has stayed there with the s**t show they have. I respect the hell out of that man but remove him from the athletic picture there and they cant make a step forward without stepping on their own d**k. Either they're trying too hard to be PC and its backfiring every time or they are just stupid in their hires. Even the best fb coach they've had in a long time (Franklin) left with his own blemish. They might as well go back to the 70s and offer 2-for1 tickets with a coupon off Bunny bread.
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Remember that Bunny Bread ticket promo.:pRecall vandie doing it in 1980s too. Only reason Corbin has stayed is that he's been given what he wants, from salary to facilities. It's a tenuous hold for vandie.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Tim Corbin.
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For a long while, their womens basketball, unlike the mens team, was also fairly decent, between 1986 and 2014, they only missed the NCAA Tournament twice, in 1988 and 1999. 15 Sweet Sixteens, 5 Elite Eights, and a single Finar Four in 1993.

One thing I could never figure out, they could win the SEC Tournament six different times, but never win the regular season once.

As far as Tim Corbin, biggest thing for him, where else could he go? He makes like $1.1 million or thereabouts, he's taken them to Omaha 4 times over the last decade and won it all twice. There's no guarantee he could have the same success at a school with a weaker program like UT or Kentucky, and a lot of the other power schools in baseball seem to be ok with their current staffs. I'm sure there are a lot of schools that would kill to have him, there's no real incentive for him to even consider quitting.
 
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TNfan#2 said:
For a long while, their womens basketball, unlike the mens team, was also fairly decent, between 1986 and 2014, they only missed the NCAA Tournament twice, in 1988 and 1999. 15 Sweet Sixteens, 5 Elite Eights, and a single Finar Four in 1993.

One thing I could never figure out, they could win the SEC Tournament six different times, but never win the regular season once.

As far as Tim Corbin, biggest thing for him, where else could he go? He makes like $1.1 million or thereabouts, he's taken them to Omaha 4 times over the last decade and won it all twice. There's no guarantee he could have the same success at a school with a weaker program like UT or Kentucky, and a lot of the other power schools in baseball seem to be ok with their current staffs. I'm sure there are a lot of schools that would kill to have him, there's no real incentive for him to even consider quitting.
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It would be hard for Corbin to recreate his Vandy success at any public institution with the ridiculous scholarship limits on baseball.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Key words being financially qualified. If you are a 4* athlete from Florida, why would go to Vandy if you are from a middle-class home where you are going to be footing the bill for what your athletic scholarship doesn't cover to the tune of tens-of-thousands of dollars each year, when you can stay home and play for Florida where tuition without any scholarship is only $6,300?
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Reread what I said about tuition awards.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Nope.

"New Vanderbilt athletic director Malcolm Turner has extended the contract of football coach Derek Mason after the Commodores reached their second bowl game in three seasons."
New Vandy AD extends contracts for Mason, other coaches
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At the time it kind of made sense. Mason continued beating UT and going to bowls. For Vandy that’s a big accomplishment worthy of a contract extension. But his recruiting, or lack thereof, caught up with him in a big way. How long did they keep Bobby Johnson around? I don’t think he ever made a bowl game let alone had a win against UT. This new AD needs to temper expectations and pray for a good football coaching hire to compete with UT and just stay afloat in the East because they’ll never win it.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
At the time it kind of made sense. Mason continued beating UT and going to bowls. For Vandy that’s a big accomplishment worthy of a contract extension. But his recruiting, or lack thereof, caught up with him in a big way. How long did they keep Bobby Johnson around? I don’t think he ever made a bowl game let alone had a win against UT. This new AD needs to temper expectations and pray for a good football coaching hire to compete with UT and just stay afloat in the East because they’ll never win it.
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Until Vandy is ready to actually put money into their facilities and stadium, they'll be a 4th tier SEC football team, and coaches like Mason will be the best they can get unless the AD makes a Matt-Campbell-like-find.
 
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