Vandy recruiting

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Is Franklin taking kids that are going to require an academic waiver to get into Vanderbilt? It appears that they are not recruiting the same level of player as in the past.

I wonder if he has an agreement to get waivers for these players that they have not provided in the past? This just looks like an atypical recruiting method for Vandy.
 
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They still have the connection with Peabody that they have had for years. That has enabled them to take some kids that otherwise would not have been able to get in at Vandy.
 
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Whatever, we all know they need all the help in the world. They are as bad as they ever have been. As bad as we played against them last year ( in their own stadium mind you), we still whipped they ass.
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They've taken exceptions for years in both football and basketball. Gerry Dinardo really got some sub-par students in there. As for the infamous Ron Mercer thing van Breda Koff never submitted the paperwork to the admissions board. Whether that was a a complete screw up or he knew Mercer was not going to Vandy and did not want to waste a chip it depends on who you ask; but there is general agreement that the school did not flat out deny him admission.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Whatever, we all know they need all the help in the world. They are as bad as they ever have been. As bad as we played against them last year ( in their own stadium mind you), we still whipped they ass.
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I'm willing to wager that I have seen as much Vanderbilt and Kentucky football as anybody on the board, and I will go on record saying that last year's Vandy team was the worst SEC football team in the last 20 years.


s1216 said:
They've taken exceptions for years in both football and basketball. Gerry Dinardo really got some sub-par students in there. As for the infamous Ron Mercer thing van Breda Koff never submitted the paperwork to the admissions board. Whether that was a a complete screw up or he knew Mercer was not going to Vandy and did not want to waste a chip it depends on who you ask; but there is general agreement that the school did not flat out deny him admission.
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Mercer didn't want to go to Vandy, and Vandy wasn't going to let him in. The rest of the story is simply posturing.
 
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I have noticed that Vandy is really stretching themselves out physically. They are into MI and OH bigtime, as well as GA and FL.

Having said that, most of what I am seeing is

Player A commits to "School-1"
Also offered by
School-2
School-3
School-4
Vandy
School-5
School-6

But I just have never noticed them out and about so much. Would like to see them more competitive.
 
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Wyoming QB Austyn-Carta Samuels has transfered to Vanderbilt. The writing was on the wall, he wasn't going to be our starter any longer. Good riddance.
 
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cotton said:
I'm willing to wager that I have seen as much Vanderbilt and Kentucky football as anybody on the board, and I will go on record saying that last year's Vandy team was the worst SEC football team in the last 20 years.
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This is an interesting statement when you consider what happened at Vandy before the season.

Did Bobby Johnson retire because he knew they were going to be so bad? He left at a time that really seemed odd. Or did Caldwell make the team worse than it really was? Who knows. Now it's Franklin's team and he's got a real mess to clean up.

The thing that interests me the most about James Franklin is this: If he is really that great of a salesman and is able to convince a higher-caliber recruit to come to Vandy, is he a good enough salesman to convince the Vanderbilt administration to place a greater emphasis on the football program? Can he get them to pour more money into the program? If he can, then he might be able to turn things around there. I would venture to guess that Vanderbilt has the donor money to make it happen.

It's a bit presumptuous to believe that he'll turn the program around with one recruiting class (that isn't even signed or complete for 7 more months). However, if he's as good a salesman as he seems to be, he might be able to do the unthinkable. The problem for Vanderbilt is, and always has been the institutional emphasis. That's his biggest obstacle, IMO. He needs to prove that good things will happen to the school if the football team is competitive, much like Stanford.

And just as it has been with Dooley, only time will tell. It appears Franklin is on the right track, though. I wasn't impressed with the hire initially, but he's got the knack on the trail. As is my stance with recruiting, though, the only standings that matter are settled on the field in the Fall.
 
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HSVol said:
Did Bobby Johnson retire because he knew they were going to be so bad?
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It is my understanding that Johnson timed his decision in order to give Vandy no choice but to appoint Caldwell as coach.

HSVol said:
The thing that interests me the most about James Franklin is this: If he is really that great of a salesman and is able to convince a higher-caliber recruit to come to Vandy, is he a good enough salesman to convince the Vanderbilt administration to place a greater emphasis on the football program?
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No, he isn't.
 
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cotton said:
It is my understanding that Johnson timed his decision in order to give Vandy no choice but to appoint Caldwell as coach.



No, he isn't.
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You seem well informed; please elaborate.

Are you saying Vanderbilt will never place the appropriate institutional emphasis on their football program or Franklin isn't a good "salesman"? I have the feeling you believe it is the former, or maybe a little of both (not that it really matters). They were willing to hire Malzahn and almost did, before Auburn threw what was left of Colonial Bank at him. I thought that was a sign they wanted to change. Maybe they just think they can climb out of the cellar with only a good coaching hire.

The Johnson/Caldwell topic is pretty interesting, too. I wonder what either of them think of the decision now...
 
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HSVol said:
Are you saying Vanderbilt will never place the appropriate institutional emphasis on their football program or Franklin isn't a good "salesman"?
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Athletics will never be as important to Vanderbilt as they are to any other SEC institution. Franklin could possess the ability to sell ice to Eskimos and that wouldn't change.
 
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I heard that at least SEVEN kids are planning to commit to Vandy at a press conference next Friday.

What gives?
 
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HSVol said:
is he a good enough salesman to convince the Vanderbilt administration to place a greater emphasis on the football program? Can he get them to pour more money into the program? If he can, then he might be able to turn things around there. I would venture to guess that Vanderbilt has the donor money to make it happen.
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Donor money isn't the problem. Academics and their relative importance are. Harvard, Duke, Northwestern, etc. all have much more money than Vanderbilt and still suck at football.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
I heard that at least SEVEN kids are planning to commit to Vandy at a press conference next Friday.

What gives?
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Check the thread "More info on the whole..." Can't remember the rest of it. Caller on 104.5 The Zone said this would happen. More info in that thread.
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Good Coaching and Recruiting will keep Vandy Competitive, and in the 7 win range year in and year out. But they havent had a lot of that lately.

a 7win Vandy program, with BETTER than good Coaching will pop up and surprise a team here and there, but will still max out at 8 wins.

I dont think I can EVER see Vandy over 8 wins. Not in todays SEC.
 
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GatorBill said:
Good Coaching and Recruiting will keep Vandy Competitive, and in the 7 win range year in and year out.
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Keep? Really?

They are 1-15 in the conference the last two years. They have had 1 winning season since 1982. That simple formula seems to be pretty hard to work.
 
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They have been to 1 bowl game in the last quarter century. What makes u think they will regularly win 7? No way that happens unless there ooc schedule becomes even more of a joke than it is now. I don't think Vandy can win 6 on a regular basis, let alone 7. If Franklin is so good like everyone thinks, why is Vandy his first chance to be a head man. Laughable post is laughable.

GatorBill said:
Good Coaching and Recruiting will keep Vandy Competitive, and in the 7 win range year in and year out. But they havent had a lot of that lately.

a 7win Vandy program, with BETTER than good Coaching will pop up and surprise a team here and there, but will still max out at 8 wins.

I dont think I can EVER see Vandy over 8 wins. Not in todays SEC.
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Vandy is a school that has always been more concerned with academics than athletics. There's plenty of other schools out there that have it the other way around, mainly because of the money that can be generated. Vandy can be onto something here now. Stanford did it, why can't Vandy give it a shot?

Highly recruited kids that actually care about academics should give a school like Vandy a serious look. You will get an education from one of the most respected institutions in the country and you will also compete against SEC teams.

Vandy may be onto something here.
 
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UGA insider said:
Vandy is a school that has always been more concerned with academics than athletics. There's plenty of other schools out there that have it the other way around, mainly because of the money that can be generated. Vandy can be onto something here now. Stanford did it, why can't Vandy give it a shot?

Highly recruited kids that actually care about academics should give a school like Vandy a serious look. You will get an education from one of the most respected institutions in the country and you will also compete against SEC teams.

Vandy may be onto something here.
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Stanford is in California and has had one of the best athletic programs in the nation for some time now.

Vanderbilt is in a bad recruiting state in SEC country. They have one athletic championship and it's in women's bowling.
 
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Just a few hours down south you have GA which is LOADED every year.

Last year one of the top LB's in the country decided to leave the state to go get a Stanford education. We wanted him at UGA but I can't blame him at all for his decision.

Vandy can get kids like Vaughters to look at them seriously with a little more excitement around their football team.

USCw fans had the same attitude towards Stanford until Harbaugh and his boys hung 50 on them at home.
 
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UGA insider said:
Just a few hours down south you have GA which is LOADED every year.

Last year one of the top LB's in the country decided to leave the state to go get a Stanford education. We wanted him at UGA but I can't blame him at all for his decision.

Vandy can get kids like Vaughters to look at them seriously with a little more excitement around their football team.

USCw fans had the same attitude towards Stanford until Harbaugh and his boys hung 50 on them at home.
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Vandy is not the same as Stanford. Less upward mobility in the conference and they don't have as much to offer. Plus they can't point to any tradition of success in any sport, while Stanford can say they have 100 team national championships and their football team has been to 12 Rose Bowls.
 
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Escape Goat said:
They have been to 1 bowl game in the last quarter century. What makes u think they will regularly win 7? No way that happens unless there ooc schedule becomes even more of a joke than it is now. I don't think Vandy can win 6 on a regular basis, let alone 7. If Franklin is so good like everyone thinks, why is Vandy his first chance to be a head man. Laughable post is laughable.


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Hey now, let's be real careful about making fun of other schools' ooc schedules. Shhhh - if we're real quiet about it, maybe no one will notice. Those are pretty expensive tickets for the schizz they stickin in front of us this year.
 
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