Vanilla playcalling due to offensive line?

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O line play is not good for sure . Milton is a ok QB but his feel for the game is off . He needs to bail and run a lot more than he does theirs lots of green for him most of the time he just doesn't do it . He just isn't fast as Hooker was at processing the game IMO . But Milton is way better than he was when he got here . The playing calling is not as good as it was either and I think its the OC as much as personnel .
 
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esarmstrong said:
OP is right, IMHO. Milton played better against Clemson and Vandy last season with the benefit of last year's offensive line but basically the same receivers that are playing this season. Now, with this year's line, he is less effective.
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People were griping about the line last year too when cooper was out. We can improve. GBO
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
After thinking about it I’m convinced our playcalling (all the screens etc) has been vanilla bc our staff may lack faith that our line can block long enough for routes to develop. Sure Milton isn’t Hooker, he’s not great but I feel like our offensive line may be the biggest issue on that side of the ball and playing Nico will not solve that.
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So far bubble screens in the flats ; 10 yard passes and runs ........about 4 or 5 same plays every game. However, the first series of passes (long) started the game against Florida with a TD.........no more long passes. Enough said.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
After thinking about it I’m convinced our playcalling (all the screens etc) has been vanilla bc our staff may lack faith that our line can block long enough for routes to develop. Sure Milton isn’t Hooker, he’s not great but I feel like our offensive line may be the biggest issue on that side of the ball and playing Nico will not solve that.
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No doubt the line is bad but play calling can help that a little. If it's a jail break on a snap throw some screens to slow them down. Throw some quick slants or hit the TE behind the D-line. There are things you can do. They can't roll the QB out because Milton hasn't shown the ability to throw on the run. If Nico can throw on the run, then you have changed the dynamics of the offense a little.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
After thinking about it I’m convinced our playcalling (all the screens etc) has been vanilla bc our staff may lack faith that our line can block long enough for routes to develop. Sure Milton isn’t Hooker, he’s not great but I feel like our offensive line may be the biggest issue on that side of the ball and playing Nico will not solve that.
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Milton has only been sacked 3 times all year, there has been plenty of time for him to throw the football. Per Pro Football Focus, Vols QB Joe Milton dropped back to pass 37 times, had an average of 2.58 seconds to throw the football. I don't think Milton has an understanding of the offense, I think they're watering it down for him and I think it's hurting the surrounding cast.
 
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Godfatha said:
It’s like Mahoney or Friend are back on the staff. Did someone forget to make them turn in their badges?
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I think it is more the players Ollie never has started in a stadium that loud and Crawford was in for Mincey and graded lowest of the O Lineman and the Miami transfer has been good but whiffed on the play where Joe got hit as he threw and it looked like Squirrel may have been in position for a TD. One of the big things is all these penalties and it makes the playbook harder and harder starting at 1st & 15 and one time we were 2nd 24 after holding. We get a good play and ref calls a crackback on Castle that was questionable just one of those nights. Was a team loss but I would put it in this order OL, DBs especially Open field tackling and then imo nobody played up to their capabilities it was a team and coaching loss.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
So far bubble screens in the flats ; 10 yard passes and runs ........about 4 or 5 same plays every game. However, the first series of passes (long) started the game against Florida with a TD.........no more long passes. Enough said.
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UF changed the way they were playing us on D after that series. He threw a long pass later, he got hit that got intercepted that may have been a TD if the blocks were there.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
They are just trying not to show too much before the UConn game.
Also, the play calling won’t be vanilla in October. It will be pumpkin spice.


I’m sorry. I don’t even like myself right now.
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We have all learned to cope with sarcasm..it is the Tennessee way lol
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Milton has only been sacked 3 times all year, there has been plenty of time for him to throw the football. Per Pro Football Focus, Vols QB Joe Milton dropped back to pass 37 times, had an average of 2.58 seconds to throw the football. I don't think Milton has an understanding of the offense, I think they're watering it down for him and I think it's hurting the surrounding cast.
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The first two teams were awful. We got challenged Saturday and our O line got destroyed especially Ollie lane.
 
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Emperor VOLpatine said:
That's been kind of obvious. Everyone just wants to keep shouting the coaches don't trust Milton for some reason. That or Heupel forgot how to call plays all of a sudden after top 10 offenses and Heisman winners his whole career. The screens are because we have about 1.5 seconds to be rid of the ball or it's a sack
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Or he is missing Golesh, who has always been his OC, both at UCF and UT. Until now.
 
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BanditVol said:
Or he is missing Golesh, who has always been his OC, both at UCF and UT. Until now.
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Possibly, but Heupel still mostly called plays when Golesh was here. Golesh was very integral in game planning though. He and Heupel architected the plan that exposed Bama's defense last season and the season before. We just didn't have the firepower in Year 1 when we played them like we did last year (partly because players took the next step in their development) but they knew how to beat it.
 
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Wrangler95 said:
Milton played well last year in final 2 games,better offensive line and receivers actually getting open!
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Milton had a bad game against Vandy. He was around 50% completion and passed for under 150 yards. He played better against Clemson, but still almost half our possessions ended in 3 and outs.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
After thinking about it I’m convinced our playcalling (all the screens etc) has been vanilla bc our staff may lack faith that our line can block long enough for routes to develop. Sure Milton isn’t Hooker, he’s not great but I feel like our offensive line may be the biggest issue on that side of the ball and playing Nico will not solve that.
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I think the reason we aren't using the middle of the field is the play of the interior line has been so bad. When we tried to throw the middle Saturday the ball got batted due to defense being in Milton's face.
 
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aRmo said:
Nailed this on the head, but most people just think its Joe. Offensive line is absolutely terrible.
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It's both. Joe had all day to hit wide open receivers vs AP and couldn't do it. The offense as a whole is God awful.
 
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If you can stomach it, watch some of the video in the film analysis thread. You won't have to watch very long to see that Florida was selling out to stop the pass. They went -2 in the box all game long, and our OL couldn't run block well enough to take advantage. We should've been able to run all over them and make them try something else. Georgia is the only team that was able to do that to last year's OL.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
People don’t want to admit it but this mainly falls on Pruitts incompetence. Just look at the recruiting during the Pruitt tenure. He recruited a total 10 OL in 3 years. Only 2 in 2021. How many of those 10 have done anything? 3. Cooper, Spraggs and Crawford. And let’s be real. Were those guys stud OL? No. Cooper had a good offer list. Spraggs list was weak. Crawfords list was weak.

Joe definitely needs to play better. But look who we are putting in the OL to protect him. Ollie Lane? Dayne Davis? I mean lol. Mincey suspended. But we have seen that Joe can play at a high level. He did it with a good OL. There is a reason why so many guys like Cain, Crompton and many others keep saying how bad the OL is.
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Your overall point is good, but Spragg is a damn animal, love that guy. Cooper is a very good player as well, he’s just made of glass.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
After thinking about it I’m convinced our playcalling (all the screens etc) has been vanilla bc our staff may lack faith that our line can block long enough for routes to develop. Sure Milton isn’t Hooker, he’s not great but I feel like our offensive line may be the biggest issue on that side of the ball and playing Nico will not solve that.
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Yes.
 
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I will say one thing Fulmer could flat out coach O-line. I remember them majors teams where we could have a lineman go down and we would plug and go without hardly a hiccup. One thing about Johnny’s teams we rarely got pushed around. We also had John Stucky, he was a awesome strength and development guy. We have to get stronger up front.
 
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BanditVol said:
Or he is missing Golesh, who has always been his OC, both at UCF and UT. Until now.
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Golesh was TE coach at UCF. Jeff Lebby was the OC until Kiffin hired him for Ole Miss. Heupel called the plays then too. Maybe Halzle is really bad at sitting in the box and watching what the defense is doing and relaying that. Apart from that he's not impacting play calls
 
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O-line was part of it. The crowd noise was also a factor. The d-line was able to get a huge jump because of it.

Now add in the refs "letting them play"

Just wonder if we get some of those calls that we're not called when we are at home.

It was a good scheme by Florida but the crowd and refs helped a lot too.
 
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