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This is not a thread on whether oversigning is ethical or not. I have just been trying to figure out what the "magic number is that we can sign without any penalties.

So there is a lot of talk about all the 31 verbal commits which is over the number allowed if all of them sign. Although I am still confused about the numbers game that come up with the correct number a program can sign without it being considered over signing. To me it would be 85 scholarships minus attrition (Sr class and some of Jr class and players that will not be eligible because of grades) but seems to be more complex than that.

I am wondering, does anyone know how many JuCo scholarships are included in the 31 commits. I ask because in my research a program can accept only a certain number of player in a calendar year but JuCo players can sign as soon as December 18 2013 of this year. That would put the JuCo's in a different calendar year as the incoming freshman who can't sign until Feb 5. 2014. If we have 3 or 4 JuCo's (not sure how many) that sign on December 18. that would put us back to 27/28 for the freshman class and there would be no oversigning unless we went over the 85 scholly's.

Thoughts?
 
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Good theory, hope you're right! As long as the NCAA uses a "Calendar year" and not a "Rectruiting year" (that probably isn't in the books, but will be after they get Butchslapped by our numbers this year!) we'll be sitting pretty!
 
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I don't know myself, but I have heard the term "Grey Shirt" a signed recruit until a open scholarship is available. I don't know if a grey shirt can practice with the team or not. I would like to know what you guys know about this "grey shirt" thing......or let me know if there is no such a thing. Go Vols.
 
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Isnt Swafford playing this year and still waiting on a scholly?
 
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It doesn't matter when they sign, Dec 18 or Feb. The number will be the same. If they sign in Dec, it means less numbers you can carry over from the previous year.

The numbers may not be accurate, just what I can tell from looking at past few years. Last year TN signed 21, 2 were carry over from previous year. So 6 carried over to 2014 year class. So the allowed 25 + 6 = 31 allowed for this class. Sign them before Feb NSD or on NSD 31 is the number.
 
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cd12 said:
Isnt Swafford playing this year and still waiting on a scholly?
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Maybe he is a walk on waiting for scholly??? paying his own way?? Maybe we can have 100 commitments, but 70 of them have to pay there own way. Honestly dont know, never cracked open a NCAA rule book. Just rely on bits and pieces, and VN.
 
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Georgia signed 33 recruits for 2013, but only 19 for 2012, so that would make sense under this theory. We signed 21 in 2012 and 2013, so maybe we have more spots for '13.
 
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On a similar type deal... I think verbally committed recruits that graduate early can enroll and start practicing with the team before NSD.
 
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If I did my math right, I think we can sign upto 35 recruits if 10 are EE's. Here is the break down.

We can sign a max of 25 recruits per year.

We signed 21 players for 2013 with 1 not making it to school(Lee) an 5 EE (counts on 2012 class) for a total of 15 players signed in the 2013 class.

We can have a max of 35 in this class if 10 are EE.
15 (2013 class) + 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2013 recruiting year
35 (2014 class) - 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2014

Hope this helps and does confuse any further.
 
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volsfan125 said:
If I did my math right, I think we can sign upto 35 recruits if 10 are EE's. Here is the break down.

We can sign a max of 25 recruits per year.

We signed 21 players for 2013 with 1 not making it to school(Lee) an 5 EE (counts on 2012 class) for a total of 15 players signed in the 2013 class.

We can have a max of 35 in this class if 10 are EE.
15 (2013 class) + 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2013 recruiting year
35 (2014 class) - 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2014

Hope this helps and does confuse any further.
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Yep. Going back and looking at the EE's I believe you are right. One thing though, If my math is right we will have 53 players on scholly (assuming Tiny and AJ leave for NFL) going into 2014. That would be only 32 spots available. However, I have a feeling Peterman will transfer, freeing anther spot.
 
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volsfan125 said:
If I did my math right, I think we can sign upto 35 recruits if 10 are EE's. Here is the break down.

We can sign a max of 25 recruits per year.

We signed 21 players for 2013 with 1 not making it to school(Lee) an 5 EE (counts on 2012 class) for a total of 15 players signed in the 2013 class.

We can have a max of 35 in this class if 10 are EE.
15 (2013 class) + 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2013 recruiting year
35 (2014 class) - 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2014

Hope this helps and does confuse any further.
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That sounds entirely consistent with the article cited above. We almost certainly will have at least 10 early enrollees.
 
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Here is another excellent article which, although dated (1/30/2009), also provides clarity to matters discussed in this thread: College Football Recruiting Part III: Oversigning and Greyshirts | Bleacher Report.

According to this article, the practice of oversigning was, at that time, more common than was widely recognized: "In 2006, 33 teams signed more than their allotment of 25 prospects. In 2007, the number of teams that over-signed jumped to 39. In 2008, 30 teams over-signed. Even before National Signing Day, 14 teams have more than 25 commits, and the number will only grow over the next two weeks.

. . . Regardless of reason, here is how oversigning works:
1.A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
2.Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.

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1.Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.

Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon."
 
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The numbers I am seeing on twitter/fan sites say that we can sign 30.

It appears that we have 13 seniors, and would have to "lose" 6 additional players to take all 30 and still stay under the 85 limit.
 
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utshawn said:
This is not a thread on whether oversigning is ethical or not. I have just been trying to figure out what the "magic number is that we can sign without any penalties.

So there is a lot of talk about all the 31 verbal commits which is over the number allowed if all of them sign. Although I am still confused about the numbers game that come up with the correct number a program can sign without it being considered over signing. To me it would be 85 scholarships minus attrition (Sr class and some of Jr class and players that will not be eligible because of grades) but seems to be more complex than that.

I am wondering, does anyone know how many JuCo scholarships are included in the 31 commits. I ask because in my research a program can accept only a certain number of player in a calendar year but JuCo players can sign as soon as December 18 2013 of this year. That would put the JuCo's in a different calendar year as the incoming freshman who can't sign until Feb 5. 2014. If we have 3 or 4 JuCo's (not sure how many) that sign on December 18. that would put us back to 27/28 for the freshman class and there would be no oversigning unless we went over the 85 scholly's.

Thoughts?
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That's not how it works.
 
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volsfan125 said:
If I did my math right, I think we can sign upto 35 recruits if 10 are EE's. Here is the break down.

We can sign a max of 25 recruits per year.

We signed 21 players for 2013 with 1 not making it to school(Lee) an 5 EE (counts on 2012 class) for a total of 15 players signed in the 2013 class.

We can have a max of 35 in this class if 10 are EE.
15 (2013 class) + 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2013 recruiting year
35 (2014 class) - 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2014

Hope this helps and does confuse any further.
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Currently the Vols have 68 scholarship players subtract the 17 seniors gives 51. So the max that CBJ and the Vols can sign is 34. Unless someone leaves early to the NFL or transfers.
 
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volsfan125 said:
If I did my math right, I think we can sign upto 35 recruits if 10 are EE's. Here is the break down.

We can sign a max of 25 recruits per year.

We signed 21 players for 2013 with 1 not making it to school(Lee) an 5 EE (counts on 2012 class) for a total of 15 players signed in the 2013 class.

We can have a max of 35 in this class if 10 are EE.
15 (2013 class) + 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2013 recruiting year
35 (2014 class) - 10 (2014) EE = 25 for 2014

Hope this helps and does confuse any further.
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Per ESPN.com we sign 22 players including J. lee who drops the count down to 21.

Great post by the way.
 
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