Very good defense, average offense

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VOLumeS said:
Serious question. But they said Tennessee controls their own destiny in the SEC East race. But correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Florida need another sec loss?
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They are probably not going to beat Georgia. We just got to worry about our games. GBO
 
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VOLumeS said:
Serious question. But they said Tennessee controls their own destiny in the SEC East race. But correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Florida need another sec loss?
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They are telling us that UGA will beat UF for second loss.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Ok, then what do they call? Do we just try and run it again? Do we completely eliminate the passing game?

Are they better off trying to run their offense and or just running the ball every down because they don’t trust their QB? Even in your scenario, the play call was good. Any competent QB could’ve converted that. Joe is the problem. Not the coaching.
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1. I never suggested running the ball every down, or totally abandoning the pass. Don't be dramatic.

2. It doesn't have to be Joe or coaching. You don't have to entirely side with one or the other. They aren't mutually exclusive. It can be...and is...on both of them.

3. Joe is not a good QB, you will get no argument from me. But this head coach has determined he's our best option twice now. He has to play to Milton's strengths. Processing information quickly isn't his strength, so give him a play that allows him one option in that instance. 80% of the teams in the NFL line up under center and push their 6-5, 235 lb QB two yards for the 1st down. You don't HAVE to run the ball there, but you don't roll Joe out and make him choose what to do because he doesn't have the football IQ and he's proven himself to be terribly inaccurate on the move.

So yeah, that's on Milton. But it's also on the coach(es) who put him in that situation.
 
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volnighthawk said:
The Vols defense can hold its own against any team, but the offense is going have to play better and score more points if they want to beat the really big boys. That, imo, is on the offensive coach and play calling.
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Average my arsss.
 
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Tarkus said:
As a person, Joe Milton is a class act but he isn’t an SEC quarterback. He just can’t make enough plays. If Nico isn’t ready, I get it but we aren’t going to win many games with 100 yards passing. I’m happy for the win but the offense has got to get better and I just don’t think it’s going to with Joe at quarterback.
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When he skipped off the field pointing to his chest after that INT, I was like no **** Sherlock. I just don’t think he gets it, and he is a 6th year senior. We will limp to 8-9 wins this year, and he will issue some kind of tweet of something akin to a never give up motivational speech after he was selected in the 6th round. I hope the next two QB’s are more substance.
 
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volnighthawk said:
The Vols defense can hold its own against any team, but the offense is going have to play better and score more points if they want to beat the really big boys. That, imo, is on the offensive coach and play calling.
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Average offense? We are a beast of a running offense. I believe we lead the conference in rushing (some categories). I’m digging this team and their effort, realizing the cavalry is already here (Nico). Let’s enjoy this ride !
 
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cncchris33 said:
1. I never suggested running the ball every down, or totally abandoning the pass. Don't be dramatic.

2. It doesn't have to be Joe or coaching. You don't have to entirely side with one or the other. They aren't mutually exclusive. It can be...and is...on both of them.

3. Joe is not a good QB, you will get no argument from me. But this head coach has determined he's our best option twice now. He has to play to Milton's strengths. Processing information quickly isn't his strength, so give him a play that allows him one option in that instance. 80% of the teams in the NFL line up under center and push their 6-5, 235 lb QB two yards for the 1st down. You don't HAVE to run the ball there, but you don't roll Joe out and make him choose what to do because he doesn't have the football IQ and he's proven himself to be terribly inaccurate on the move.

So yeah, that's on Milton. But it's also on the coach(es) who put him in that situation.
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I'm not sure why you are acting like that is a complicated play. This isn't a hard play to execute. You just have to make a decision. The coaches are trying to give him the simplest pass plays they can. They are really only trying to give him short routes and one read, but he can't even do that half the time. Making him stand in the pocket and complete a simple slant route doesn't work either. About the only passes he seems to be able to complete consistently are the little screens and curls. What are they doing wrong by trying to call a roll out simple, short pass/run option to gain a couple of yards? What else are they supposed to call that they haven't already tried to give him?

If the alternative is benching him and playing the ONE legit other scholarship QB on your roster (who also happens to be a true freshmen), that is a pretty crappy option. In doing so, you throw a freshmen into the fire, risking injury and possibly tanking the season and recruiting class. You also risk destroying the one thing Joe seems to have plenty of: confidence. I'm just genuinely curious about what the coaches should be doing differently.
 
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Fightmaker said:
When he skipped off the field pointing to his chest after that INT, I was like no **** Sherlock. I just don’t think he gets it, and he is a 6th year senior. We will limp to 8-9 wins this year, and he will issue some kind of tweet of something akin to a never give up motivational speech after he was selected in the 6th round. I hope the next two QB’s are more substance.
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Lol I hear you but 9 wins, with a chance to win 10 with a bowl victory isn't "limping". That's a very good season!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Lol I hear you but 9 wins, with a chance to win 10 with a bowl victory isn't "limping". That's a very good season!
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Winning in the ugliest possible way, like yesterday, won’t feel like a very good season. It might look like a good season on paper when it’s all said and done, but we should have won every game this year by multiple scores. We are a much better team than how we have performed.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Lol I hear you but 9 wins, with a chance to win 10 with a bowl victory isn't "limping". That's a very good season!
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LOL. I’m about 100% sure Georgia doesn’t have that mindset. They aren’t thinking 9 to 10 wins is a very good season. They think like winners. It’s the SEC championship or bust, period.
 
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VolRage said:
LOL. I’m about 100% sure Georgia doesn’t have that mindset. They aren’t thinking 9 to 10 wins is a very good season. They think like winners. It’s the SEC championship or bust, period.
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We aren't Georgia right now. Win 8-11 games for 15 years or so while recruiting great classes almost every year but not winning it all, fire your good but not great coach and hire someone like Smart, win some NC, all the while recruiting top classes and our expectations of winning more than 10 games year in and year out will be less unreasonable. We can get there, but suffice it to say we aren't and our path to get to that is a little more challenging.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
We aren't Georgia right now. Win 8-11 games for 15 years or so while recruiting great classes almost every year but not winning it all, fire your good but not great coach and hire someone like Smart, win some NC, all the while recruiting top classes and our expectations of winning more than 10 games year in and year out will be less unreasonable. We can get there, but suffice it to say we aren't and our path to get to that is a little more challenging.
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Exactly. Christ, we have one double digit win season in 15 years and suddenly people think anything less than winning the East every year should be considered disappointing.

Historically on average, we are an 8-9 win a year program with pockets of hyper success mixed in. As much as we all would like to be a top 5 blue blood program, we're just not. Can we get there? I'd like to think we could but right NOW we need to take the small victories where we can get them.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Exactly. Christ, we have one double digit win season in 15 years and suddenly people think anything less than winning the East every year should be considered disappointing.

Historically on average, we are an 8-9 win a year program with pockets of hyper success mixed in. As much as we all would like to be a top 5 blue blood program, we're just not. Can we get there? I'd like to think we could but right NOW we need to take the small victories where we can get them.
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It's good to have high expectations for sure, and someday I hope we can be realistic about double digits each year. We are making better progress to that kind of thing now than in a very long time, but still going to take more.
 
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VolRage said:
LOL. I’m about 100% sure Georgia doesn’t have that mindset. They aren’t thinking 9 to 10 wins is a very good season. They think like winners. It’s the SEC championship or bust, period.
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Comparison is the thief of joy. Stop worrying about Georgia or Alabama and just enjoy the journey. We aren't world beaters but we ARE a long way from the Pruitt/Dooley/Jones eras now and that's worth celebrating!
 
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Stephen Gray said:
We aren't Georgia right now. Win 8-11 games for 15 years or so while recruiting great classes almost every year but not winning it all, fire your good but not great coach and hire someone like Smart, win some NC, all the while recruiting top classes and our expectations of winning more than 10 games year in and year out will be less unreasonable. We can get there, but suffice it to say we aren't and our path to get to that is a little more challenging.
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Agreed. I just don’t like the mentality that a 9 to 10 win season should be the expectation.
 
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VOLumeS said:
Serious question. But they said Tennessee controls their own destiny in the SEC East race. But correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Florida need another sec loss?
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If UF who struggled and was lucky to beat SC, wins out, they deserve the championship UGA neutral, Arky at home @ LSU & Missouri, then throw in a super stout OOC finish with Florida State. Newsflash its not gonna happen.
 
#47
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volnighthawk said:
The Vols defense can hold its own against any team, but the offense is going have to play better and score more points if they want to beat the really big boys. That, imo, is on the offensive coach and play calling.
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I think our D is good , idk how elite it is . I don’t know that we can bank on us winning games . This Saturday will be a good indicator as to how good it is , true defense travels we need to show that we aren’t just a good D at home
 
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Tarkus said:
As a person, Joe Milton is a class act but he isn’t an SEC quarterback. He just can’t make enough plays. If Nico isn’t ready, I get it but we aren’t going to win many games with 100 yards passing. I’m happy for the win but the offense has got to get better and I just don’t think it’s going to with Joe at quarterback.
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He is a SEC QB but he ain't a top SEC QB
 
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