Vic Wharton tweet says refs from last night got suspended

#52
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dreVol said:
The forward progress rule is the issue that hasn't been talked about enough. If the play was blown dead and the line judge spotted the ball according to its position when the play was officially over, then it doesn't matter where Carta-Samuels' body was when he fell down. The play is over when forward progress is stopped. Has everyone forgotten how that rule effed us in the Bama game when AJ stripped the ball?
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It was an awful spot. I was hoping like hell that it would some how not be reviewed because as soon as I saw it it was evident it would be overturned. As far as not being able to see the ball, I don't know. I just know that 2/3 of his body was beyond the line to make before his forward progress was stopped.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Well the problem is that even though it is easy to say the QB crossed the first down marker, it was completely impossible to see where the ball was at the time or if he even had it. The whole point of the replay is to get the correct call and to overturn a call on the field they must have indisputable video evidence which is something they did not have on that call. Without being able to see the ball it is not only reasonable, but rather easy to dispute the overturn.
By them overturning the call on VERY disputable video they completely threw the whole point of the replays out the window and just did as they pleased. They also did it at a time that had a major affect in the outcome of the game.

Now should one questionable call get them suspended no, but factor in that it removed one of the conferences most popular teams from bowl eligibility and the possible revenues that were just lost and I could see the conference using that as a reason to suspend them.
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Nice post! I'm glad to see someone else has a very clear understanding of the NCAA Replay Rules, and that you actually watched the replay.

There are a lot of folks on this site that simply can't wrap their mind around the rule or what evidence is needed to overturn the call.

Thanks for paying attention!
 
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#54
I was unhappy "about a great...many...things" last night but the refs and instant replay had nothing to do with any of them!
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Why would they be suspended all the replays were correct. Unless the SEC is upset at the amount of times replay had to be used
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On the fourth and inches play the left tackle committed a false start when he moved after being set prior to the ball being snapped, they completely missed that, and that is just one example of poor officiating in the game.
 
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The game came down to the fact, the Vols needed one yard to make a first down and they didn't get it. Vandy needed to make one yard to make a first down and they got it.
 
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gunner said:
Nice post! I'm glad to see someone else has a very clear understanding of the NCAA Replay Rules, and that you actually watched the replay.

There are a lot of folks on this site that simply can't wrap their mind around the rule or what evidence is needed to overturn the call.

Thanks for paying attention!
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You guys are killing me. I completely understand the rule, the concept that it can't be overturned because its not indisputable, because you can't see the ball.....is that about it? Got it.

I'm taking a bigger view in terms of how the team played, that they couldn't get a stop there because, irrespective of the rule, of the call, of the reversal, he did indeed convert ... again, I understand the rule and the "letter of the law".

We had our chances to beat a very pedestrian vaginabilt team and couldn't convert any of them. I prefer to blame the poor coaching, poor talent, poor senior leadership, poor QB and WR play rather than the poor officiating.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Why would they be suspended all the replays were correct. Unless the SEC is upset at the amount of times replay had to be used
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You are absolutely correct, it was clear and indisputable that not only could you see where the ball was advanced to on the forth down play, but it was so clear that from the video evidence you could know exactly where to place the ball.
 
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volfan4evr said:
The booth assumed the player had the ball mid torso, which could not be seen since the player's back was to the camera. However, Vu would have probably went for it on fourth down anyway. Still, the booth did make an incorrect decision according to protocol.
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that was fourth down
 
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KBVol said:
You guys are killing me. I completely understand the rule, the concept that it can't be overturned because its not indisputable, because you can't see the ball.....is that about it? Got it.

I'm taking a bigger view in terms of how the team played, that they couldn't get a stop there because, irrespective of the rule, of the call, of the reversal, he did indeed convert ... again, I understand the rule and the "letter of the law".

We had our chances to beat a very pedestrian vaginabilt team and couldn't convert any of them. I prefer to blame the poor coaching, poor talent, poor senior leadership, poor QB and WR play rather than the poor officiating.
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I'm glad you understand the rule. As far as the team and the way they played, I expected this to be a very close game, and it was to the end. This team IS NOT capable of beating down any SEC team this season.

It was an ugly game as expected and to win a close ugly game a team needs breaks. As far as the officiating was concerned Vandy got most of the breaks including the call in question in the aforementioned replay. If the replay official makes the right call then UT gets the break they needed to run the clock out and win the game.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Could not see where the ball was and the QB's hand position was low toward his lap. The ball is not his helmet and shoulders....that was the questionable call I have a problem with....the lack of evidence to over turn the call on the field.
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Even if you think the ball was where you say it is, he still got the first down.

That was maybe the worst spot I've ever seen. Where he spotted indicated he actually thought he got about 4 inches and that's just stupid.
 
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volfan411 said:
I cannot believe posters on here keep talking about where the ball ended up and that is not the question. The question is where did the line judge rule forward progress stopped and both officials came running in to the same spot so I have to think the play was whistled dead and that is the spot where the ball was at.
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Saying the line judge ruled the forward progress really doesn't help matters because that would be just as wrong.

If that guy seriously thought his forward progress was stopped there, he needs to be banned from ever calling a game again.
 
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gunner said:
I'm glad you understand the rule. As far as the team and the way they played, I expected this to be a very close game, and it was to the end. This team IS NOT capable of beating down any SEC team this season.

It was an ugly game as expected and to win a close ugly game a team needs breaks. As far as the officiating was concerned Vandy got most of the breaks including the call in question in the aforementioned replay. If the replay official makes the right call then UT gets the break they needed to run the clock out and win the game.
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What?? We got them to fumble at the 1 yard line, and another time inside their red zone, and both times the player was ruled down. Replay over turned those and gave us the ball, those are 2 huge breaks.

Howard caught the ball, and attempted to adjust it in the air as he went out of bounds, it rotated free before he reclutched it= not a catch.

The 4th down play, he got the first down, the ref couldn't see into the pile, and gave him a terrible spot. When replay looked at the play and saw that the line judge placed the ball at the qb's feet, and they were short by 1 inch, knew it was a first down. Even if he couldn't see the ball, it was obvious that he wasn't holding it with his feet. Therefore, it was a first down.

The QB never reached for the ball, never turned backwards, and he stood up from the top of the pile still holding the ball to his chest. That tells the ref where the ball was. Had he been reaching backwards, or lost control of the ball, it would be different. It was the correct call to overturn it.

The officials will not be suspended, the head of sec officiating said they did everything right, except the original spotting of the 4thdown play. The suspension has been started by Our fans on twitter and retweeted by our fans on twitter. No one else...

Get over it
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
What?? We got them to fumble at the 1 yard line, and another time inside their red zone, and both times the player was ruled down. Replay over turned those and gave us the ball, those are 2 huge breaks.

Howard caught the ball, and attempted to adjust it in the air as he went out of bounds, it rotated free before he reclutched it= not a catch.

The 4th down play, he got the first down, the ref couldn't see into the pile, and gave him a terrible spot. When replay looked at the play and saw that the line judge placed the ball at the qb's feet, and they were short by 1 inch, knew it was a first down. Even if he couldn't see the ball, it was obvious that he wasn't holding it with his feet. Therefore, it was a first down.

The QB never reached for the ball, never turned backwards, and he stood up from the top of the pile still holding the ball to his chest. That tells the ref where the ball was. Had he been reaching backwards, or lost control of the ball, it would be different. It was the correct call to overturn it.

The officials will not be suspended, the head of sec officiating said they did everything right, except the original spotting of the 4thdown play. The suspension has been started by Our fans on twitter and retweeted by our fans on twitter. No one else...

Get over it
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Are you a child? The very point of a forum like this is to express one's opinion about the Vols, games, ect. If you don't like the opinions of myself and others, you don't have to read or respond, you have that right. Please use your ignore button, it's a very useful function that you may want to try.

But, keep in mind, you must respect the views and opinions of others. Telling someone on this board that you disagree with to "get over it" is disrespectful and childish. If you can't debate in a spirited and respectful manner, maybe you should find a new board.
 
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And we win the game. With our O line and big FB there is no reason why we can't get a yard. Do that you burn more clock and the last 5 pages are moot points.
 
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crucdvol said:
And we win the game. With our O line and big FB there is no reason why we can't get a yard. Do that you burn more clock and the last 5 pages are moot points.
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I agree, but they didn't and here we are. The lack of execution by the offense this season is very concerning.
 
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#74
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Tnrdgerunr said:
It was absolutely correct, the head of officials was ask on TV about the call and he said Pig didn't maintain control through the whole catch.
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I don't think I've ever seen them contradict the officiating crew in that instance. Pig had clear control. He shifted the ball to his right hand and raised his left hand to keep the defender from getting to the ball. Good call on the field totally botched by the review ref.

There was also a blatant block in the back by Candy that wasn't called early on the last drive. On the facemask call, the offense also had hands in the facemask so those should have offset.

All this would have been irrelevant if we had an offensive game plan that could score 15 points. First game that really, really makes me question the coaching.
 
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volstuckinNC said:
I don't think I've ever seen them contradict the officiating crew in that instance. Pig had clear control. He shifted the ball to his right hand and raised his left hand to keep the defender from getting to the ball. Good call on the field totally botched by the review ref.

There was also a blatant block in the back by Candy that wasn't called early on the last drive. On the facemask call, the offense also had hands in the facemask so those should have offset.

All this would have been irrelevant if we had an offensive game plan that could score 15 points. First game that really, really makes me question the coaching.
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If Palardy makes his kicks, the offense scores 16.
 
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