Vn Dame Haters

#51
#51
hatvol96 said:
That's a fair point. However, I'm more concerned with seasons like UT had last year or ND had in Willingham's last year. The kind of year where you're in the top 5-10 and then miss the board. Also, if a team is consistently in the preseason Top 10, then rarely finishes there, I think that's a pretty good indication that the team in question is consistently overrated.
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I agree. I think an interesting study would just start by asking if a team was in the Preseason Top 10 and if they finished in the Top 10. Then, the Preseason #1 would not be unduly punished.
 
#55
#55
I am a Notre Dame fan. I have been to plenty of ND games and I have always sat with ND season ticket holders. So, I am going to need a little more evidence.
 
#56
#56
therealUT said:
I have emboldened the "compounds" I think might actually be worth dignifying with a response. The rest are even more ridiculous.

First point, of course you cannot find that analysis. Most likely there never was one, and if there was, most likely it was not done objectively. Notre Dame was not ranked at all entering the preseason last year, UT was ranked 3. ND has not won a National Championship since 1988, and between 1996 and 2006, ND never finished in the Top Ten.

On your second bullet, I have never come across a Catholic, with a capitol 'C', Priest who has ever actively recruited for Notre Dame. I doubt that Raghib Ismail was attending Catholic Church through high school. I can most likely same the same for Tony Rice, Chris Zorich, and Jerome Bettis...oh, and Lou Holtz is protestant!

Notre Dame is on TV almost every weekend because NBC thought it in their best interest, financially, to set up a television contract with ND. NBC has no contracts with any other conferences to televise college football, so a Notre Dame game in no way gets in the way of other college football games. If you want to watch, watch. If not, turn it to ABC, CBS, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FoxSports, CSS, etc. I bet you don't like the Yankees because they have a media contract with YES, the Cubs because of WGN, or the Braves because of TBS?

Notre Dame is not afraid to join a conference. There is just no benefit to Notre Dame joining one. UT arguably has their toughest schedule in years, this year. So far, UT has played 3 top ten teams, and LSU will be in the top 15 when we play them. ND faces that kind of competition every year! Notre Dame does schedule Stanford, Navy, and Army. However, UT plays Kentucky, and Vandy each year, then also schedules at least two easy non conference games (Marshall and Memphis, for example.)
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Number one, please lighten up. I don't like ND, and I admit that bias and resulting opinion. And I apologize for the small-"c" Catholic, that was intentional at the time but back-handed nonetheless... much like your small-"p" Protestant. Touche.

The analysis that I referred to is driven by facts such as those found here: Cumulative Overrated/Underrated Teams. Extrapolate it over ncaa history and run your own stats if your so convinced. I'm convinced enough to support my... opinion... aleady. Note that of late Tennessee has had its own overanking issues. I can't locate the article that's there, but don't question my integrity.

Regarding the contracts and NBC, I understand the principles and precepts of marketing and economics. It still creates a biased playing field for recruiting for the rest of us over time. Deny? by the way, I don't watch. In my book NBC = No Body Cares.

Regarding my conference comments... again, a level playing field is not created when a championship game is brought into the equation that some must play and others don't. They get a pass on the potentially toughest game of the year others do not. FYI I support the conference championship structure until such time we can construct some type of playoff. But for now its the closest thing we have.
 
#57
#57
three things.

first, i genrally take my mother with me to ND games when they are here. we are a Catholic family living in Knoxville and we always enjoy going to the game. the past 3 games they've played here i've had the unfortunate luck of getting stuck sitting next to ND fans. granted, once i sat in the ND fan section, but that doesn't excuse being told to go fornicate with my mother. and it wasn't a humorous "your mom" joke either. they were serious. also, i haven't ever heard fans use as awful languagenext as i have ND, even when there are little kids in front of them, both when i was a kid at the game in the early 90s and then last time i was here. the guy who was cussing was also the one who made the comments to my mother. now, i have thick skin and most things i can let roll of me, but to insult my family in front of children, reaks of class.

second, i have friends, and you would expect from somebody who went to a Catholic high school to have, who went to ND and have come back the most arrogant and conceited people i have ever known. it's like they have something in the water up there that brainwashing them into thinking they are god's gift to the world. i'm not talking one person either. i have 10-15 example of this.

lastly, i know two families who have father in jail right now because of, or are facing trial for, some sort of fraud. one of which who wrote bad checks and stole money from his partners to put his daughter through St Marys in South Bend. both are ND alumns.

i realize there are bad fans everywhere and it's a part of going to the games and there are exceptions to the rule. but there's been enough incidents that i'm done giving their fans a second chance and i wrote them all off as idiots.
 
#58
#58
therealUT said:
I am a Notre Dame fan. I have been to plenty of ND games and I have always sat with ND season ticket holders. So, I am going to need a little more evidence.
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I don't have a problem with Notre Dame fans. I lived in Indiana for 12 years, and I just always found it funny to see more and more ND fans come out of the closet win they were having a good season. During the bad years... you don't see them hardly anywhere.
 
#59
#59
One of my best friends is a ND fan. I just don't think they represent when they are not winning. ND is shoved down everyones through from the media just like the Yankees are in baseball based on tradition.

There fans are not the bad, but here is my point. ND is not in a conference, and they think that they are elite because of this. They constantly bash various confrences except the Big 10, because they play many of those teams. Join a conference and quit being so money hungry!
 
#60
#60
I'm sure every school with a winning tradition has its share of closet fans, even UT. Since you live in Indiana, does Purdue have the same fan situation? Their football program seems to go up and down like a yo-yo. Just wondering if you noticed any difference in their fan base in lean years.
 
#61
#61
Somebody please provide me with a convincing argument as to why Notre Dame would see it in their best interest to join a conference. I never knew that looking out for the financial well being of your program was a bad thing. Most teams join conferences due to financial reasons. Yet, people take Notre Dame to task for staying out of a conference for financial reasons.

Second, I know plenty of UT, KU, KSU, Mizzou, and USMA alumni that I think are absolutely despicable. Do I automatically generalize the whole alumni populations of each institution? No. Also, doozer, I have sat among multitudes of UT fans who I would not allow children to be around. To even imply that this is a problem exclusive to Notre Dame is flat out ridiculous. But, thanks for writing off the whole fan base of Notre Dame as idiots. That is extremely big of you.
 
#63
#63
therealUT said:
Somebody please provide me with a convincing argument as to why Notre Dame would see it in their best interest to join a conference. I never knew that looking out for the financial well being of your program was a bad thing. Most teams join conferences due to financial reasons. Yet, people take Notre Dame to task for staying out of a conference for financial reasons.

Second, I know plenty of UT, KU, KSU, Mizzou, and USMA alumni that I think are absolutely despicable. Do I automatically generalize the whole alumni populations of each institution? No. Also, doozer, I have sat among multitudes of UT fans who I would not allow children to be around. To even imply that this is a problem exclusive to Notre Dame is flat out ridiculous. But, thanks for writing off the whole fan base of Notre Dame as idiots. That is extremely big of you.
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I agree with you and I like the fact they do not want to join a conference and keep it the way it has always been. If they join a conference their schedule would get easier (non sec). That would be the only benefit for them.
 
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