Vols 3rd longest streak being in AP poll

[VolunteerCeltic]

“Honey I got a promotion/raise again and a super competitive job offer from a really solid company! I think these are signs I’m making progress in my career!”

“IF YOU’RE NOT THE CEO IT DOESN’T MATTER. TALK TO ME LATER.”

Crazy how some people can’t see that success isn’t simply binary. There’s such a thing as progress and there are milestones that indicate you’re getting closer to the objective.

In the sports world having a consistently good/great program that can have you in the national picture is your best bet to championships in the long haul and Barnes has us consistently at a level we’ve never seen. Gotta have a wider view.

I did not dispute any success the Vols have had, I only stated that the number 1 ranking at the end of the season is the one that matters.....Vols can be ranked 30th, sneak into the NCAA tourney and go on an improbable run and win it all. That 30th ranking would mean nothing at that point. Yes, Barnes has this program at a top 20 level consistently, but no wins past the Sweet 16. Here are his teams final rankings over the past several years;

2022-23 -20th
2021-22- 5th
2020-21- 25th
2019-20 - unranked, postseason not held due to Covid
2018-19 - 6th
2017-18 - 13th

Tennessee is a good program and they have maintained a stable winning environment with Barnes. Top 10 finishes are good, but to be considered a top tier program, there has to be next level wins in the NCAA tournament and those have not come. So being ranked for 49 straight weeks is something nice to sell recruits, but if you peel back that layer, you see limited NCAA tournament success. I do hope they get to the Final Four this season with this roster, they are build to do it.

 

[SN-A-C Orange]

I did not dispute any success the Vols have had, I only stated that the number 1 ranking at the end of the season is the one that matters.....Vols can be ranked 30th, sneak into the NCAA tourney and go on an improbable run and win it all. That 30th ranking would mean nothing at that point. Yes, Barnes has this program at a top 20 level consistently, but no wins past the Sweet 16. Here are his teams final rankings over the past several years;

2022-23 -20th
2021-22- 5th
2020-21- 25th
2019-20 - unranked, postseason not held due to Covid
2018-19 - 6th
2017-18 - 13th

Tennessee is a good program and they have maintained a stable winning environment with Barnes. Top 10 finishes are good, but to be considered a top tier program, there has to be next level wins in the NCAA tournament and those have not come. So being ranked for 49 straight weeks is something nice to sell recruits, but if you peel back that layer, you see limited NCAA tournament success. I do hope they get to the Final Four this season with this roster, they are build to do it.

Okay, you like data and facts ... let's take a look ... see chart below for the facts ....
Note: the stats below are not my work: 2024: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Records of Active Coaches
I have color coded and added a Trip pct calculation to his data and am responsible for the color coding/evaluation.
If tournament winning pct was your measuring stick then do you want Frank Martin 66% or Thad Matta 64% or Sean Miller 63% as your next coach? NOT ME!!!
@TGO, ...

He’s won 50% of his NCAAT games and something like 90% of his teams make the field. How about spinning that instead.

You inspired me to look it up ... but no, his teams do not make the field 90% of the time. Rick Barnes teams make the NCAA tournament 73% of the time.
If you think that is an unimpressive number, consider this ... there are only 5 active coaches with a higher percentage!!!
Only Mark Few's teams make the field 92% of the time!

We know that Dan Hurley led Connecticut to a 6-0 run and Final Four win ... before that his record in the NCAA Tournament was 2-4!!!! A run like that can clean up a number of bad stats. Before last year he made the NCAA Tournament 35% of the time!!!

I like Rick Barnes. He is a high character guy. He is warm, funny, and he loves people. I think the most recent version of Rick Barnes is exceptional.
I think he is a great example of Christian character, a family man.
Here is a quote from Rob Lanier, “Dude’s unbelievable. Colleagues tell me all the time, ‘I hear you work for the best guy in the business.’”
Or brush up, by via this article: TWO STEP by Rob Lanier -
Rick Barnes is a good coach, (just look at the stats below) and I will be sad when he calls it, "Done."
Yellow is caution! Green is good!
Enjoy!

 

[VolunteerCeltic]

Okay, you like data and facts ... let's take a look ... see chart below for the facts ....
Note: the stats below are not my work: 2024: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Records of Active Coaches
I have color coded and added a Trip pct calculation to his data and am responsible for the color coding/evaluation.
If tournament winning pct was your measuring stick then do you want Frank Martin 66% or Thad Matta 64% or Sean Miller 63% as your next coach? NOT ME!!!
@TGO, ...

You inspired me to look it up ... but no, his teams do not make the field 90% of the time. Rick Barnes teams make the NCAA tournament 73% of the time.
If you think that is an unimpressive number, consider this ... there are only 5 active coaches with a higher percentage!!!
Only Mark Few's teams make the field 92% of the time!

We know that Dan Hurley led Connecticut to a 6-0 run and Final Four win ... before that his record in the NCAA Tournament was 2-4!!!! A run like that can clean up a number of bad stats. Before last year he made the NCAA Tournament 35% of the time!!!

I like Rick Barnes. He is a high character guy. He is warm, funny, and he loves people. I think the most recent version of Rick Barnes is exceptional.
I think he is a great example of Christian character, a family man.
Here is a quote from Rob Lanier, “Dude’s unbelievable. Colleagues tell me all the time, ‘I hear you work for the best guy in the business.’”
Or brush up, by via this article: TWO STEP by Rob Lanier -
Rick Barnes is a good coach, (just look at the stats below) and I will be sad when he calls it, "Done."
Yellow is caution! Green is good!
Enjoy!
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Making the tournament should be the standard for Tennessee, but there is a significant lack of success beyond getting to the Sweet 16. I like Barnes a lot as well, I wasn't bad mouthing him, just stating that Tennessee as a whole needs to get to the Elite 8 and win a few and get to a Final 4.

 

[kyvol98]

Getting to the Final 4 is no easy task. Winning it is harder and winning it multiple times is very hard.
Unless I am mistaken and correct me if I am wrong, but only 2 active coaches have won more than 1, Bill Self and Rick Pitino.

 

[LibertyVol]

Amen TGO…
The Vols can literally go toe to toe with any team in the nation, at any venue (neutral, home, or away), and win! As a fan of 40ish years I love that feeling and am thankful! I try to enjoy each game, win or lose, and then hope we make some noise at the end of the year. I like watching young men develop into their rolls and hopefully reach their full potential. I like the coaches X’s & O’s. So much to enjoy about the journey and will always be a Vol Bball fan!

Coach Barnes is a great coach. I don’ know that I would want anybody else.

 

[LibertyVol]

To add to my previous post about Barnes I can give reasons I like him more than any previous coach and that includes Pearl who I liked as well. The kids always play hard. We get to watch guys develop into good players. They are competitive almost every year. You always feel they have a chance to win a conference title. Tennessee has just missed two Elite 8s since he has been here. Tennessee is going to NCAA every year. Before he became the head coach Tennessee’s basketball program was not good or at least not consistently good. People forget about that. Tennessee does not have to worry about any NCAA shenanigans. Besides who would you get that is going to do as well or better. And would they come to Tennessee. As far as Tennessee coaches go he is the GOAT as far as I am concerned.

 

[StickMan]

This is a tremendous accomplishment. The tournament is always a crapshoot. One year, Virginia got blown out in round one as a 1 seed, and the next year got a bunch of lucky bounces and won it all. Same coach, two completely opposite results. Sustained success year after year is more impressive to me.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I mean it’s a legitimate criticism, but it’s got nothing to do with the Vols’ streak in the AP poll. There’s all manner of threads to criticize Barnes in, no need to highjack this one

Fair enough. Barnes reaching these kinds of accomplishments is always going to magnify the tournament struggles, so I think hijacks are inevitable. To your point, I'll shut my yapper. It is a very impressive streak for sure.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Okay, you like data and facts ... let's take a look ... see chart below for the facts ....
Note: the stats below are not my work: 2024: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Records of Active Coaches
I have color coded and added a Trip pct calculation to his data and am responsible for the color coding/evaluation.
If tournament winning pct was your measuring stick then do you want Frank Martin 66% or Thad Matta 64% or Sean Miller 63% as your next coach? NOT ME!!!
@TGO, ...

You inspired me to look it up ... but no, his teams do not make the field 90% of the time. Rick Barnes teams make the NCAA tournament 73% of the time.
If you think that is an unimpressive number, consider this ... there are only 5 active coaches with a higher percentage!!!
Only Mark Few's teams make the field 92% of the time!

We know that Dan Hurley led Connecticut to a 6-0 run and Final Four win ... before that his record in the NCAA Tournament was 2-4!!!! A run like that can clean up a number of bad stats. Before last year he made the NCAA Tournament 35% of the time!!!

I like Rick Barnes. He is a high character guy. He is warm, funny, and he loves people. I think the most recent version of Rick Barnes is exceptional.
I think he is a great example of Christian character, a family man.
Here is a quote from Rob Lanier, “Dude’s unbelievable. Colleagues tell me all the time, ‘I hear you work for the best guy in the business.’”
Or brush up, by via this article: TWO STEP by Rob Lanier -
Rick Barnes is a good coach, (just look at the stats below) and I will be sad when he calls it, "Done."
Yellow is caution! Green is good!
Enjoy!
View attachment 610804

When I said 90% I was thinking at ut and UT. I should have uncluded or qualified my statement as not including Providence and George Mason which dilutes his number. Even Clemson does a little (3 of 4). I also didn’t add it up precisely - just did an estimate in my head.

I think it’s something like 21x out of 24 NCAATs at Texas and TN. COVID was a throw away year and I wouldn’t blame CRB for the dumpster fire he took over here. So that’s 21 out of 22 and 2024 makes 22/23 or 22/25 if excluding the first 2 years and the mess that he inherited here.

 

[jeff1vol]

Sorry, but your incessantly negative reputation doesn't allow for much subjectivity to be injected into your jovial attempts at humor. Most people just assume that comment was business as usual for you.

"Thank you, Doctor!" In my most jovial voice.

 

[jeff1vol]

You’re not funny

Neither is this board. I fit right in.

 

[Clad in Big Orange]

Glad SOMEONE on this board has a sense of humor. Lots of sensitive sally's round here. Good grief.

I think it’s ok to appreciate the greatness of Rick Barnes AND acknowledge that missing achievement that all of us want for him and the program. What a shame it would be for him not to be the coach that takes the Vols farther than anyone else.

 

[PickleRickBarnes]

This is a tremendous accomplishment. The tournament is always a crapshoot. One year, Virginia got blown out in round one as a 1 seed, and the next year got a bunch of lucky bounces and won it all. Same coach, two completely opposite results. Sustained success year after year is more impressive to me.

meh Ill take the inconsistent path that gives FFs and National Titles.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

How dare you desire more wins for UT and make a statement that is not excessive laudation.

I had an aunt who died of excessive laudation. Tragic.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Making the tournament should be the standard for Tennessee, but there is a significant lack of success beyond getting to the Sweet 16. I like Barnes a lot as well, I wasn't bad mouthing him, just stating that Tennessee as a whole needs to get to the Elite 8 and win a few and get to a Final 4.

meh Ill take the inconsistent path that gives FFs and National Titles.

UVA fans want to fire their high character National Championship coach now. They’ve decided the game has passed him a couple of years after winning it all. Fans aren’t good judges of anything, but their ignorance is a crime of passion. It’s almost forgivable.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I did not dispute any success the Vols have had, I only stated that the number 1 ranking at the end of the season is the one that matters.....Vols can be ranked 30th, sneak into the NCAA tourney and go on an improbable run and win it all. That 30th ranking would mean nothing at that point. Yes, Barnes has this program at a top 20 level consistently, but no wins past the Sweet 16. Here are his teams final rankings over the past several years;

2022-23 -20th
2021-22- 5th
2020-21- 25th
2019-20 - unranked, postseason not held due to Covid
2018-19 - 6th
2017-18 - 13th

Tennessee is a good program and they have maintained a stable winning environment with Barnes. Top 10 finishes are good, but to be considered a top tier program, there has to be next level wins in the NCAA tournament and those have not come. So being ranked for 49 straight weeks is something nice to sell recruits, but if you peel back that layer, you see limited NCAA tournament success. I do hope they get to the Final Four this season with this roster, they are build to do it.

I want an Oompa Loompa, Daddy and I want it now!

 

[LibertyVol]

meh Ill take the inconsistent path that gives FFs and National Titles.

Tennessee has been right there several times under Barnes. A couple of unfortunate injuries (Alexander several years ago and Ziegler last year.) and that guy that went crazy for Purdue (can’t remember his name) and made everything he threw up have kept Tennessee from taking the next step. Barnes is the guy. I believe he has a run in him, maybe a couple. He is due.

 

[VolunteerCeltic]

I want an Oompa Loompa, Daddy and I want it now!

Oompa Loompas are known to make it rain from 3-point land......

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Tennessee has been right there several times under Barnes. A couple of unfortunate injuries (Alexander several years ago and Ziegler last year.) and that guy that went crazy for Purdue (can’t remember his name) and made everything he threw up have kept Tennessee from taking the next step. Barnes is the guy. I believe he has a run in him, maybe a couple. He is due.

Ryan Cline. He made eight in a row in the second half including four 3’s. He had a 22 point half, guarded well. He averaged 15 a game prior to that. That Purdue team lost to UVA in the final seconds. That UVA team won it all. That’s how razor thin winning in the tournament is. Some corn flavored cracker has the game of his life, and you go home. Sorry. We were better than Purdue and as good as UVA or Auburn. The era of Wooden and Kryzewski are over. The modern game is hard. We have a great coach. I can’t imagine who I’d trade him for. Can we not recall how creepy Donnie Tyndall made us feel, or how sad it was to celebrate a Buzz era NIT invite? Get over it.

 

[VOLtaism]

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How many more years of eligibility does Drew Timme have left? I am sure he will get them back into contention.

 

[EasternVol]

UVA fans want to fire their high character National Championship coach now. They’ve decided the game has passed him a couple of years after winning it all. Fans aren’t good judges of anything, but their ignorance is a crime of passion. It’s almost forgivable.

Charlottesville isn't exactly a bastion of reason. It hasn't been for a long while.

 

[Volfan1000]

It’s another helluva accomplishment. You should try to enjoy some of them instead of taking dumps on them.

Barnes is surpassing the acheivements of Pearl at Tennessee.

 

[SN-A-C Orange]

When I said 90% I was thinking at ut and UT. I should have uncluded or qualified my statement as not including Providence and George Mason which dilutes his number. Even Clemson does a little (3 of 4). I also didn’t add it up precisely - just did an estimate in my head.

I think it’s something like 21x out of 24 NCAATs at Texas and TN. COVID was a throw away year and I wouldn’t blame CRB for the dumpster fire he took over here. So that’s 21 out of 22 and 2024 makes 22/23 or 22/25 if excluding the first 2 years and the mess that he inherited here.

Very well expressed and your argumentation is superior!!!!
In the "what have you done for me lately" category ... Barnes has hit the jackpot at UT!
I am hoping for 5 more years of his coaching.

 

[cardvolfan]

I had an aunt who died of excessive laudation. Tragic.

How long did she laudate before passing away? Years, I assume?

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

How long did she laudate before passing away? Years, I assume?

Too many to count. Endless laudating. You should’ve seen her toes.