Vols are # 6 in USA Today Poll

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CNCVol88 said:
Take out the stupid human element. The BCS was garbage to people because it was just the top 2. If we did top 8 in the BCS poll then it would be much more enjoyable. No stupid conference tie ins or auto includes. Just make the top 8 in the BCS poll.

Basketball has a human element but it also has a very well understood and thought out resume system with RPI and the quadrants. If we can't have a well built system like that in college football then the human element needs to go.
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Top 8 from the BCS would be good. Teams 9 & 10 would still whine but you would surely get the top teams in the playoff if you went with the best 8 and paired 'em off for a three week tournament.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
True.

Strength of schedule - draw (tenn 7 ALA 8)
Top 25 record - could go any way depending on where miss st and south Carolina fall tomorrow
Head to head - advantage Tennessee
Record vs common opponent - advantage Tennessee
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According to past CFP commitees, the “quality” or value of a loss is one of the last points of consideration and only used when everything else is even. By that logic, actually their logic, Tennessee would be ahead of bama. For some reason I just know it won’t happen and I’m already beyond pissed off about it😈😂
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
We should be ahead of Alabama in the CFP.
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They won't put us ahead. Bad losses are as important as big wins. Also they will look at the fact Hooker isn't playing and Young is. Yes we beat Bama, bur we did it in Neyland, with Hooker and barely won. Bama's only other loss is OT, also on the road to the Western Division champ. Yeah we beat that team too, but we also got our butts stomped by South Carolina and Georgia for that matter. We simply are out of the CFP and Bama will be ranked ahead of us and should be.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
They won't put us ahead. Bad losses are as important as big wins. Also they will look at the fact Hooker isn't playing and Young is. Yes we beat Bama, bur we did it in Neyland, with Hooker and barely won. Bama's only other loss is OT, also on the road to the Western Division champ. Yeah we beat that team too, but we also got our butts stomped by South Carolina and Georgia for that matter. We simply are out of the CFP and Bama will be ranked ahead of us and should be.
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Who cares if we “barely” won?

Bama still lost and also lost to the team that we destroyed on their home field.

If you think Bama should be ranked ahead of us because their losses are better, then what’s the point of winning anymore?
 
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Regardless, we have a shot at finishing Top 5 after the bowls and playoffs have ended. Win our bowl game and hope for the best. A top 4 or 5 would be a NICE way to finish the year. And just maybe Georgia and Bama lose … we certainly jump Bama and maybe finish 1 spot behind Georgia. IT COULD HAPPEN !!!
 
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VolCalls said:
Disagree because of this, straight from the CFP bylaws:
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
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And we still scored 56 points and has over 500 yards of total offense without him. That's an irrelevant point as shown in the past week.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
And we still scored 56 points and has over 500 yards of total offense without him. That's an irrelevant point as shown in the past week.
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Splitting hairs on injuries should not be taken account. All teams have injuries and gives to much latitude for committee to say well the linebacker is out or the best tackle is out. Injuries happen in football the committee shouldn’t have that much subjective latitude. On the field results. And 56-0 against Vandy shows our offense is still very potent. Vandy has played decent D all year and we throttled them. GBO!
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
Top 8 from the BCS would be good. Teams 9 & 10 would still whine but you would surely get the top teams in the playoff if you went with the best 8 and paired 'em off for a three week tournament.
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The first teams out are always going to whine. At least top 8 is more than just 1 and 2 (which in the BCS may not be 12-0)
 
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Orange12 said:
Vols won't make playoff and probably shouldn't. But being above Bama and beating them out of Sugar Bowl bid should happen. And just beating them at something else would be nice.
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Sugar Bowl/Orange Bowl. It’s doesn’t matter.

Miami would be a better trip, Clemson is more of a recruiting rival than Kansas State/TCU. Florida has better recruits historically than Louisiana. Give me the UrngeBawl.
 
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the vols have achieved more than Bama this season.
The only thing Bama has achieved the vols haven't is not getting beat badly
 
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VolCalls said:
Disagree because of this, straight from the CFP bylaws:
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
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We proved we could score effectively in different ways without Hooker. While I agree the offense is NOT the same, the key point is that we proved we had other weapons we could use.

Also the unavailability of key players should work both ways - in the loss to SC, our best defensive player did not play and there was a host of other injuries on the defensive side. With Vandy he was back and the difference should be noted.

You can't just use that criteria in one way.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Splitting hairs on injuries should not be taken account. All teams have injuries and gives to much latitude for committee to say well the linebacker is out or the best tackle is out. Injuries happen in football the committee shouldn’t have that much subjective latitude. On the field results. And 56-0 against Vandy shows our offense is still very potent. Vandy has played decent D all year and we throttled them. GBO!
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This all day! And it boggles my mind that folks on here want to ignore that.

And honestly this train of thought would imply that if UGA, UM, USC, TCU incur an injury against a key player coupled with losing the game - they are out because they no longer have the key player. That is subjective.

What we do know is that Tennessee was very effective at scoring with other weapons without Hooker, while Bama struggled with Young out. There is real live game film to support that. There is also game footage to show that Tennessee is a very different defensive team with key players present.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
The first teams out are always going to whine. At least top 8 is more than just 1 and 2 (which in the BCS may not be 12-0)
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I have always been in favor of a 8 team playoff, always thought it would be the best overall. But I do like the idea of the top 4 getting a bye in a 12 team playoff and top teams hosting first round of playoff games. I don’t think it should ever expand beyond 12. But I can live with 12 just don’t add past that. There will always be a argument wherever the cutoff is but 12 is more than enough. No more. GBO!
 
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vegasvolfan said:
They won't put us ahead. Bad losses are as important as big wins. Also they will look at the fact Hooker isn't playing and Young is. Yes we beat Bama, bur we did it in Neyland, with Hooker and barely won. Bama's only other loss is OT, also on the road to the Western Division champ. Yeah we beat that team too, but we also got our butts stomped by South Carolina and Georgia for that matter. We simply are out of the CFP and Bama will be ranked ahead of us and should be.
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I agree but that's not part of the CFP's stated criteria. Placing Bama ahead of Tennessee means that they scrapped their criteria and rolled with something else, likely $$$ or media pressure.
 
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90 Vol said:
I agree but that's not part of the CFP's stated criteria. Placing Bama ahead of Tennessee means that they scrapped their criteria and rolled with something else, likely $$$ or media pressure.
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The Media rules the CFB world and everything else……. It’s amazing what you can learn by just listening, no?
 
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90 Vol said:
I agree but that's not part of the CFP's stated criteria. Placing Bama ahead of Tennessee means that they scrapped their criteria and rolled with something else, likely $$$ or media pressure.
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Which part? My understanding was they considered all the above?
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Who cares if we “barely” won?

Bama still lost and also lost to the team that we destroyed on their home field.

If you think Bama should be ranked ahead of us because their losses are better, then what’s the point of winning anymore?
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The committee does. I certainly never negated wins. You can't ignore either is my point. I will say this, the one thing we have in our favor is that we beat higher ranked teams than they did, one of which was them. The other of which we destroyed away and they lost to. I believe they take into account what other teams do with teams you also played and head to heads. I think they also look at what teams do that you lose to. Welp, SC just beat the ACC Champ and Georgia is undefeated in the SEC. So, I could argue it that way too. But I thought they also looked at who is the best team currently and without Hooker, we aren't the team that beat all those teams. I think that plus the but spankings we took from SC and Georgia are the deciding factors. But I'm being told that the absence of Hooker is not something the playoff committee will look at?
 
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jmacvols1 said:
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CFP Selection Committee chairman Boo Coorigan: “Somewhere in there you’ve got to measure the loss that Tennessee had to South Carolina, and as we went through that. That was part of the determination as to why to have Alabama ahead of Tennessee”


CFP Selection Committee chairman Boo Coorigan explains why Alabama is ranked ahead of Vols
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I have to agree with their decision although I really wanted us to make the final four. This is why I support a 12 team playoff
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I have to agree with their decision although I really wanted us to make the final four. This is why I support a 12 team playoff
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I have problems with no loss or one loss soft schedule teams (Big10) being ranked ahead of one or two loss hard schedule teams and head to head match ups do not seem to matter. Too much bias in the rankings not enough objectivity and a 12 team playoff will help alleviate some of the bias for the 13th team that gets left out of the playoffs will have their bone to pick.
 
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