Vols loss not a shock for many

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GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Landscapers will tell you that March is a good time to over-seed your lawn.

Basketball insiders will tell you it's a bad time to over-seed your Vols.

Tennessee failed to live up to the expectations that come with a No. 2 regional seed, playing down to its postseason pedigree yesterday in a stark reminder that Rome wasn't rebuilt in a day.

"A couple of more minutes of solid basketball and we're talking about the Sweet 16," UT's Dane Bradshaw said after the 80-73 loss to Wichita State.

Instead, we're talking about a lousy final couple of minutes and a sour ending. Look, when you're alleged to be the second-best team in your quarter of the bracket, you shouldn't fall apart at the end of a second-round game and lose to a No. 7 seed.

But that's where Vol Ball is. Even after a marvelous season of defying the odds and stunning the masses, UT fell back into some old, bad habits and lost a game it should have won.

Note, please, that this was Wichita State, a program that was making its first NCAA Tournament appearance since 1988.

"If we lost to a UConn or a Duke, I wouldn't feel so bad," said Vols center Major Wingate, whose 15 points, seven rebounds and five blocks will be remembered less than his two turnovers in the final 2:43. "I don't think we lost to a better team."

The game was there for the taking. UT led 65-63 after a Wingate basket with 3:30 remaining but let the game slip way with lax defense, shaky ball-handling and a couple of three-point shots that needed divine intervention to have a chance of falling.

Trailing 67-65 with about two minutes to go, Bradshaw took an out-of-his-range 3-pointer that clanked harmlessly off the rim. Wichita State's P.J. Couisnard nailed a trey on the ensuing possession.

Later, Chris Lofton launched the last of his 18 3-point attempts, this one from perhaps 30 feet. It fell harmlessly away.

"I guess you could say we took a couple of bad shots," said Lofton.

Gee, I didn't know UT offered a class in Overstatement 101.

And then there were Wingate's two turnovers, when he was surrounded by Shockers defenders.

"You can't do that at crunch time," Wingate said.

Maybe it was the pressure of the moment. Or the burden of history. For years, long before Bruce Pearl began this divide-and-conquer rebuilding program, there has been a glass ceiling for men's basketball at UT. You can only go so high, even when inexplicably granted a No. 2 seed.

"With them having the higher seeding, they had more pressure on them," said Wichita State guard Matt Braeuer. "They obviously didn't want to lose to us. …

"We knew we matched up well with them. They're not a great team."

Couisnard, who torched the Vols for 20 points and helped stifle UT's Lofton, put it like this:

"Of all the 2-seeds in the tournament, that's the one you'd want to play."

In time, the accomplishments of Pearl's first season will come into focus. Nobody expected much of this team. Getting to the NCAA Tournament — and with a No. 2 seed to boot — was quite a ride.

So little was expected.

So much was delivered.

"Nobody expected us to get this far," Bradshaw said. "It hurts now because we think we should've made the Sweet 16, but we accomplished a lot."

Indeed, it is a season to remember.

But a final game to forget.
 
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Painful to read but 100% correct. We did overachieve but were put in a bracket where should have made it to the sweet 16.
 
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I dont agree, Kansas lost in round 1, Iowa goes down to NW St!, Nevada lost in round 1. 3-seed gonzaga squeeks past xavier in the first round. Heck LSA almost lost last night if its not for an out your ass 3 pointer, another 2 seed UCLA almost lost to a 10 seed bama last night in round 2, all these teams except nevada (a 5 seed) are 4 seeds or above, and yet UT loses to a good 7 seed team and everyone says were overrated??? Ever since that 2-seed came out this story has been decided for us. All the media outlets have been foaming at the mouth for us to lose, just so they can say I told you so. But my point is that there have been just as many teams that the media loved that have performed just as badly if not worse, and yet when they stumble we dont heard the resounding cry of overrated. UCLA could do no wrong in the minds of sportscasters after round one, does that mean that they are overratted after last nights performance?
 
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Knowing Nashville,TN (Vandyland) based David Climer, he probably had this article written during the middle of our first round game.The only real thing I see out of this article is that Couisnard (sp) is a smart a_ _.
 
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(cibai @ Mar 19 said:
I dont agree, Kansas lost in round 1, Iowa goes down to NW St!, Nevada lost in round 1. 3-seed gonzaga squeeks past xavier in the first round. Heck LSA almost lost last night if its not for an out your ass 3 pointer, another 2 seed UCLA almost lost to a 10 seed bama last night in round 2, all these teams except nevada (a 5 seed) are 4 seeds or above, and yet UT loses to a good 7 seed team and everyone says were overrated??? Ever since that 2-seed came out this story has been decided for us. All the media outlets have been foaming at the mouth for us to lose, just so they can say I told you so. But my point is that there have been just as many teams that the media loved that have performed just as badly if not worse, and yet when they stumble we dont heard the resounding cry of overrated. UCLA could do no wrong in the minds of sportscasters after round one, does that mean that they are overratted after last nights performance?


I agree completely. Add UNC to your list - media darling barely advances. Couisnard has the game of his life from beyond the arc yet he's talking smack.

Trash Wingate for late turnovers but praise him for his play the rest of the game - he kept us in it. Trash the shot selection but that's the shot selection we've used ALL YEAR! Most of the times it worked but we've seen where it doesn't. Trash Bradshaw for a bad shot but praise him for all the big plays he made inside....

Overall, I agree that the 2 seed was too high but there's several ways to look at the game yesterday and Climer found the most negative way to do so.
 
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(volinbham @ Mar 19 said:
Overall, I agree that the 2 seed was too high but there's several ways to look at the game yesterday and Climer found the most negative way to do so.

That is what Climer does. He helps sell papers by bashing anything that goes on in Knoxville, outraging supporters, pleasing bashers, and delighting the seemingly growing number that fall into both categories.

For a two seed to lose in the second round is usually an upset. For this team to make the second round is almost a miracle, and a tribute to some gutsy kids and a great coaching job. Remember that this UT team had no preseason expectations, and for good reason. It had a short bench; it had one inside player; it's best scoring threat was a guy whose next best scholarship offer came from Miami of Ohio. They could not physically match up against any decent team they played this year, including South Carolina and Whichita St. Yet they beat people with determination, coaching schemes, and clutch shooting all year long.

The fact that they beat Florida twice, Kentucky, and Texas ever is a collection of tremendous accomplishments. They did not have the talent to be a 2 seed, but their resume was good enough to convince the committee they were among the 8 best teams in the country. It is a perfect example of the whole being MUCH better than the sum of the parts.

There is no disgrace in this team falling just short of the Sweet Sixteen. My hat is off to them. They accomplished much more than they should have. If Pearl can get first tier talent on the Hill to play like these kids did, the future of baketball looks very bright orange.
 
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Let it go, guys.

Before the season began we were all ready and willing to accept even an early exit in the NIT as a good turnaround. Let the haters hate. This will still be known as the year Bruce Pearl put Tennessee back on the map.
 
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I agree.The thing is it has been sooooo long since we have had something to talk about after the mens basketball season ends.
 
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The Vols were a #2 seed. They were overrated as a #2 seed, as I said before the tournament started. They should have been a #4 or a #5 seed. However, most of you on this board stated that either UT deserved the #2 seed, or that the seeding was what is was and really didn't matter. Well, as a #2 seed that means that UT was seeded as one of the top 8 teams in the tournament. Anything less than making the Elite 8 means that UT did not live up to its seeding as a #2 seed.

UT's basketball team accomplished a lot this season, played above its talent level for much of the season, and has a lot to be proud of this season. However, UT finished the regular season on life support, didn't deserve a #2 seed, and didn't live up to its #2 seed.
 
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(Vol423 @ Mar 19 said:
UT's basketball team accomplished a lot this season, played above its talent level for much of the season, and has a lot to be proud of this season. However, UT finished the regular season on life support, didn't deserve a #2 seed, and didn't live up to its #2 seed.

Thanks Captain Obvious
 
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(Vol423 @ Mar 19 said:
However, most of you on this board stated that either UT deserved the #2 seed, or that the seeding was what is was and really didn't matter.

That's just not true. Everyone was shocked when we got a #2 seeding . . . and we all know seeding matters.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 19 said:
That's just not true. Everyone was shocked when we got a #2 seeding . . . and we all know seeding matters.

Yeah, but if he put it that way, he wouldn't come off as the only one who knows something about basketball. Sometimes you have to bend the truth in order to make yourself look credible.
 
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(Vol423 @ Mar 19 said:
However, UT finished the regular season on life support, didn't deserve a #2 seed, and didn't live up to its #2 seed.

I, for one, am not going to feel guilty about being "overseeded." I'm just not that big of a Zags fan, and I can recall a few situations in which UT teams in various sports have taken the short end of the selection process. I'm also not going to beat the team up too bad for losing to a lower seeded team. If there weren't any "upsets," office pools would be much less fun.

This season far exceeded expectations. Regardless of what you think of the selection committee's math, '06 was a very good year.

Trivia Note: a 7 seed has now advanced to the Sweet 16 each of the last 5 tournaments. I think that shows that the talent level between 2 and 7 just isn't that different.
 
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(Vol423 @ Mar 19 said:
However, UT finished the regular season on life support, didn't deserve a #2 seed, and didn't live up to its #2 seed.

I would have to say the same thing about UNC and their #3 seed. :birgits_giggle:

George Mason? Karma - it's everywhere you want it to be.
 
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I guess Carolina was more grossly overseeded than us since they lost to an 11 seed. They never deserved it as they were then considered one of the top 12 teams in the country and anything less than making the Sweet Sixteen means that Carolina did not deserve its 3 seed. Well, you get the point, upsets should never happen in the tourney and if they do it just means that the higher seed didn't deserve what they got. That would be great logic if upsets never happened.

By the way I would love to see somewhere on this board where a majority of Vol fans said we deserved a 2 seed. It just isn't true.
 
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(volinasheville @ Mar 19 said:
I guess Carolina was more grossly overseeded than us since they lost to an 11 seed. They never deserved it as they were then considered one of the top 12 teams in the country and anything less than making the Sweet Sixteen means that Carolina did not deserve its 3 seed. Well, you get the point, upsets should never happen in the tourney and if they do it just means that the higher seed didn't deserve what they got. That would be great logic if upsets never happened.

By the way I would love to see somewhere on this board where a majority of Vol fans said we deserved a 2 seed. It just isn't true.


It may not have been true but it sure was fun for a few days!
 
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dont look now, but ohio state is losing to a 7 seed, they must be overrated and never deserved a 2 seed ;)
 
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This type of thing has gone on all over this tournament! BRADLEY is in the Sweet 16! Are you going to say they were "underseeded" ??? Give me a break. Upsets galore, it is a strange year. The Vols were AMAZING this year.
 
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(rwemyss @ Mar 19 said:
This type of thing has gone on all over this tournament! BRADLEY is in the Sweet 16! Are you going to say they were "underseeded" ??? Give me a break. Upsets galore, it is a strange year. The Vols were AMAZING this year.
Absolutely!!!!! Maybe we could have been a 3 or 4 seed but we were not given anything!!!! I see how Hansbrough owned George Mason, OOPS :w00t: Guess they were overseeded!!! Kansas must have been overseeded!!! Iowa must have been overseeded!!! Illinois must have been overseeded!!! To say a loss to so and so is embarrasing is IDIOTIC!! That will only come from people who don't understand MARCH MADNESS!! I am proud of THE VOLS and Coach Pearl so don't give me this crap about an embarrasing loss they played their hearts out yesterday and came up short it wasn't embarrasing it was a loss!!! It is part of the Tournament and happens Every Year to Teams...OOPS Ohio State is down 10 with 13 minutes to go Guess they were OVERSEEDED!!! :question:
 
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(BIG T @ Mar 19 said:
Absolutely!!!!! Maybe we could have been a 3 or 4 seed but we were not given anything!!!! I see how Hansbrough owned George Mason, OOPS :w00t: Guess they were overseeded!!! Kansas must have been overseeded!!! Iowa must have been overseeded!!! Illinois must have been overseeded!!! To say a loss to so and so is embarrasing is IDIOTIC!! That will only come from people who don't understand MARCH MADNESS!! I am proud of THE VOLS and Coach Pearl so don't give me this crap about an embarrasing loss they played their hearts out yesterday and came up short it wasn't embarrasing it was a loss!!! It is part of the Tournament and happens Every Year to Teams...OOPS Ohio State is down 10 with 13 minutes to go Guess they were OVERSEEDED!!! :question:


Your post is right on.

Maybe its just the WSU nickname of Shockers but the CBS reference to all the upsets this weekend says WSU "shocked" the Vols while all the others just say the lower seed "beat" or "won against" or "outlasted" the favorite.

The Vols as overated was written as soon as the seeding came out. Why let the facts get in the way of a pre-written story?
 

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