Vols Need to Move Out of Play In Game!

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They need to move to the semis and possibly get out of the d--n play in game. That is a real disadvantage to those teams who have to go against a high seed the next game two days later traveling in between. Heck, why not win it all! Don't forget they were down 1 against Florida at the three and a half minute mark!
 
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If Vols are one of the last 4 in and win; their next game will be against a 5 or 6 seed not exactly a "high" seed. I would much rather be in a play in game than be an 8 or 9 seed. JMO.
 
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zansdad said:
If Vols are one of the last 4 in and win; their next game will be against a 5 or 6 seed not exactly a "high" seed. I would much rather be in a play in game than be an 8 or 9 seed. JMO.
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This. Would much rather have this happen.
 
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zansdad said:
If Vols are one of the last 4 in and win; their next game will be against a 5 or 6 seed not exactly a "high" seed. I would much rather be in a play in game than be an 8 or 9 seed. JMO.
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They will be playing one more game than the other 64 teams! Fatigue is a definite factor especially going into game 2! I'm sure we want to go farther than that!
 
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zansdad said:
If Vols are one of the last 4 in and win; their next game will be against a 5 or 6 seed not exactly a "high" seed. I would much rather be in a play in game than be an 8 or 9 seed. JMO.
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With the exception of the 1vs16 their all tough. I think ideally you avoid playing an additional game. jmot
 
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SeniorDrill said:
They need to move to the semis and possibly get out of the d--n play in game. That is a real disadvantage to those teams who have to go against a high seed the next game two days later traveling in between. Heck, why not win it all! Don't forget they were down 1 against Florida at the three and a half minute mark!
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We better get to the play in game first.:unsure:
 
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Lefteye said:
With the exception of the 1vs16 their all tough. I think ideally you avoid playing an additional game. jmot
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I think you try to avoid 1 seeds as long as possible. I am pretty sure there is a stat out there that shows that 11 and 12 seeds make the sweet 16 more often than 8 and 9 seeds do. I would take the am extra game to avoid a 1 seed as long as possible.
 
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zansdad said:
I think you try to avoid 1 seeds as long as possible. I am pretty sure there is a stat out there that shows that 11 and 12 seeds make the sweet 16 more often than 8 and 9 seeds do. I would take the am extra game to avoid a 1 seed as long as possible.
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Good point. Would be interesting to see us in Wichita states side of the bracket if we should meet a 1 early.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
VCU handled it nicely
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... the odds are against advancing past the second round. Out of the 12 teams playing in the play in game in the last 3 years since it was initiated only two have made it past the second round. VCU and La Salle. Personally I would like better odds for the Vols!
 
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Avoid the play-in game but would take an 11 or 12 seed slot without the play in game which would be good seeding. Face a 6, 3, 2, 1 as 11 seed or face 5, 4, 1, 2 as a 12.
 
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Tennessee can beat any team in the country. I'd rather have the 8-9 game as long as it isn't Florida. The only other teams I don't want Tennessee to play is Michigan State or North Carolina.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
... the odds are against advancing past the second round. Out of the 12 teams playing in the play in game in the last 3 years since it was initiated only two have made it past the second round. VCU and La Salle. Personally I would like better odds for the Vols!
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So 12 teams play each other. 6 winners. Of those 6 winners, 2 of them (33.3%) have gone on to upset either a 5 or 6 seed. That doesn't look that bad to me. And you get to play a 4 or 3 seed for the right to go to the sweet 16 instead of a 1 seed.
 
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zansdad said:
So 12 teams play each other. 6 winners. Of those 6 winners, 2 of them (33.3%) have gone on to upset either a 5 or 6 seed. That doesn't look that bad to me. And you get to play a 4 or 3 seed for the right to go to the sweet 16 instead of a 1 seed.
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In all 3 years total 18 teams advanced to the second round out of 36. Only 3 of those 18 teams made it out of the second round. So the real numbers are 1 of 18 each year or 3 of 36 for the 3 year total made it past the second round. So the odds are not 3 of 6, they are 3 of 36. The play in game is a b---h for any team to overcome.
 
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My mistake there are only four play in games. The previous post I was responding to threw me off. So the numbers are 3 of 24 for the three years or 1 of 8 for the single years making it past the second round.
Think about the reasons why this may occur. The play in teams have to prepare for their play in opponent. Then they must win in Dayton, Ohio. Then they just travel to wherever the second round game is with no time to prepare for their next opponent. Meanwhile, the team they are playing has the benefit of watching the play in game and preparing accordingly. So the team in the play in game is tired from playing 2 days earlier, tired from traveling to a new site, and has no time to prepare while the other team is sitting there licking their chops.
Hopefully, Tennessee will move out of that scenario with a victory or two in the SEC tourney.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
My mistake there are only four play in games. The previous post I was responding to threw me off. So the numbers are 3 of 24 for the three years or 1 of 8 for the single years making it past the second round.
Think about the reasons why this may occur. The play in teams have to prepare for their play in opponent. Then they must win in Dayton, Ohio. Then they just travel to wherever the second round game is with no time to prepare for their next opponent. Meanwhile, the team they are playing has the benefit of watching the play in game and preparing accordingly. So the team in the play in game is tired from playing 2 days earlier, tired from traveling to a new site, and has no time to prepare while the other team is sitting there licking their chops.
Hopefully, Tennessee will move out of that scenario with a victory or two in the SEC tourney.
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Your numbers are still off. Half of the play in games are between the lowest ranked teams in the field. They will all be 16 seeds and are only in the tourney because of their leagues auto bid and a 16 has never beaten a 1. UT will not be in one of those games. Now if you want to talk about the play in games UT might be in you are talking about the 2 games that match-up the last 4 at-large bids. 4 teams x 3 years equals 12 teams. Of that number, according to you, 2 have made it to the round of 32. 2/12 is about 17% which is a reasonable number considering how low of seeds we are talking about. Again, in not arguing that an 12 seed in the play in game is better than a 10 or 11 seed without the play-in game. I am arguing that if you want to make the sweet 16 you are better off as an 11 or 12 seed with a play in game than as an 8 or a 9. 8's and 9's just don't make the sweet 16 that often.
 
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99gator said:
the vols are in the play in game?

we know this, how?
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It all boils down to Thursday. All the bracketologists now have Arkansas and Tennessee as the last four in. The team that wins if Arkansas gets by their first game dances. The other does an about face to the NIT!
 
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99gator said:
the vols are in the play in game?

we know this, how?
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Only speculation. Right now most brackets have them there, but there are 3 11 seed slots not requiring a play in game, same for the 12 seed.

Speculation versus the selection committee. We are in is the most important factor. We are a tough match up for most teams in this tourney.

If officials call it tight then our style of phial play might hurt us.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Only speculation. Right now most brackets have them there, but there are 3 11 seed slots not requiring a play in game, same for the 12 seed.

Speculation versus the selection committee. We are in is the most important factor. We are a tough match up for most teams in this tourney.

If officials call it tight then our style of phial play might hurt us.
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I think they typically let teams play in the tourney. I can't find it now, but I saw a stat where on average tournament teams had 2 less fouls per game called on them than in the average regular season games.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Tennessee can beat any team in the country. I'd rather have the 8-9 game as long as it isn't Florida. The only other teams I don't want Tennessee to play is Michigan State or North Carolina.
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The earliest we can play Florida is the Sweet 16, because we already played them twice. We won't be their 8-9.
 
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