Vote at home act 2021

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n_huffhines said:
What makes us think in-person voting is secure? We still have blind spots in the process. We still have tons of potential for fraud. Seems like there is room for improvement and it could come from technology that can verify and validate at-home voting.
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For one thing, in-person isn’t anonymous. Who is going to risk jail time by standing in line to cast a fake vote?
 
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Facial recognition would be horrible, but perhaps an electronic finger print is better. But I don’t like the idea of the government having a more robust database of citizen info. Everybody needs to give their DNA, prints, and facial features to the government? I guess there are agencies already hard at work gathering driver license photos into the master database. They have much of the DNA from any relative.
 
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I’d rather see a requirement that voters are able to understand concepts like basic economics, communism, and socialism as part of the registration process.
 
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What about 3rd party representation for voters? You could have a handful of companies that verify who you are and validate your vote. Your vote is a matter of public record (not attached to your name but an ID that they give you). Your voting record is permanently there for all to see, but it's anonymous (unless you give someone your number). The companies are subject to both private and government auditing. Any funny business ever and they're out.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why would this only give dems the power? Isn't everyone eligible?

I don't agree with it but don't see how it only benefits one side. Demonizing mail in votes was a bad strategy in Nov
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It might have been a bad strategy to demonize it, but it wasn't wrong. The optics of mail in voting are bad. That makes the whole system suspect. We can do better, and it is a pathetic cop out to say otherwise. There is no way in Hell that anyone can say blanket mailing of ballots with no proof of citizenry filling out those ballots is a good idea. Change my mind.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
For one thing, in-person isn’t anonymous. Who is going to risk jail time by standing in line to cast a fake vote?
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There are other kinds of voting fraud, tho. Our current system of in-person voting is susceptible to other kinds of fraud (and mistakes).
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Facial recognition would be horrible, but perhaps an electronic finger print is better. But I don’t like the idea of the government having a more robust database of citizen info. Everybody needs to give their DNA, prints, and facial features to the government? I guess there are agencies already hard at work gathering driver license photos into the master database. They have much of the DNA from any relative.
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Facial recognition is getting better every day. If you travel internationally, all you have to do to re-enter the US is have your picture taken at a kiosk, which then spits out a receipt that clears you. You don't always have to produce a passport unless the agent is random checking. That has all happened within the last year or so. I will wager that in the next year or so you won't even have to stop at a kiosk.

I agree wholeheartedly with your trepidation concerning photographs, DNS, etc etc etc... It is ripe for abuse, ESPECIALLY by the government. But there ain't no stopping this train. It WILL happen.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There are other kinds of voting fraud, tho. Our current system of in-person voting is susceptible to other kinds of fraud (and mistakes).
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I'll bet a mandatory year in pound me prison for voter fraud would make some people think twice about it. Instead of incarcerating pot smokers, let's get some REAL criminals. Or would they not qualify in your mind.
 
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While I have made my views clear that we should tighten up on who is allowed to vote I understand that is a non-starter. So my suggestion to restore faith in our elections would be:

1. Ban absentee ballots for everyone except military and others in .gov service that can't be home for election day.
2. Absentee ballots must be certified by a notary witness
3. All in person voters must show valid state issued picture ID AND proof of residency. A recent (no older than 30 days) utility bill or something to prove you still live there.
3. Make election "day" a Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday event. Count the votes on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday with observers and announce all results on Thursday.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why would this only give dems the power? Isn't everyone eligible?

I don't agree with it but don't see how it only benefits one side. Demonizing mail in votes was a bad strategy in Nov
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I actually think it would help republicans based on voting percentage, turnout percentage, and total population. White people make up 68-73% of the population(rough est. 330 million).

Multiply the current exit poll data by 250 million(eligible voters), then by 68% and the lead produced by white voters is almost insurmountable(24 million). This assumes 100% vote, the exit poll rates are the same, and a 30% vote for republicans across other races.

2020 data exit polls
White - 57% trump vs 42% Biden
Black - 12% vs 82%
Hispanic - 32% vs 66%
Asian - 31% vs 63%
Other - 40% vs 58%

Turnout percentage - 2016 (can’t find 2020)
white - 58.2%
Black - 55.9%
Hispanic - 32.5%
Asian - 33.9%
Other - not provided

Correction, I was reading the table wrong. White people make up 62% of the population, therefore the shift would be for democrats.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why would this only give dems the power? Isn't everyone eligible?

I don't agree with it but don't see how it only benefits one side. Demonizing mail in votes was a bad strategy in Nov
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Probably because most conservatives don't really consider cheating to be an option
 
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hog88 said:
While I have made my views clear that we should tighten up on who is allowed to vote I understand that is a non-starter. So my suggestion to restore faith in our elections would be:

1. Ban absentee ballots for everyone except military and others in .gov service that can't be home for election day.
2. Absentee ballots must be certified by a notary witness
3. All in person voters must show valid state issued picture ID AND proof of residency. A recent (no older than 30 days) utility bill or something to prove you still live there.
3. Make election "day" a Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday event. Count the votes on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday with observers and announce all results on Thursday.
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That is way to simple and easy to do
 
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VolinWayne said:
Probably because most conservatives don't really consider cheating to be an option
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'll bet a mandatory year in pound me prison for voter fraud would make some people think twice about it. Instead of incarcerating pot smokers, let's get some REAL criminals. Or would they not qualify in your mind.
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What on earth are you going on about?
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I actually think it would help republicans based on voting percentage, turnout percentage, and total population. White people make up 68-73% of the population(rough est. 330 million).

Multiply the current exit poll data by 250 million(eligible voters), then by 68% and the lead produced by white voters is almost insurmountable(24 million). This assumes 100% vote, the exit poll rates are the same, and a 30% vote for republicans across other races.

2020 data exit polls
White - 57% trump vs 42% Biden
Black - 12% vs 82%
Hispanic - 32% vs 66%
Asian - 31% vs 63%
Other - 40% vs 58%

Turnout percentage - 2016 (can’t find 2020)
white - 58.2%
Black - 55.9%
Hispanic - 32.5%
Asian - 33.9%
Other - not provided

Correction, I was reading the table wrong. White people make up 62% of the population, therefore the shift would be for democrats.
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So what is the point of your post?
 
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