Vote For Dan Henning

[holdemvol]

My only problem with that is young is usually going to translate into unproven. UT cannot afford to gamble with this one.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Nov 4, 2005 8:54 PM
A guy with Redskins ties.....I can dig it!  :matrix:

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"I can dig it, he can dig it, she can dig it, we can dig it, they can dig it, you can dig it, Oh, let's dig it. Can you dig it, baby?"

Think of it, NFL quality OC, great rep, finally, a big time coach and a potential, step in and replace Phil guy too!! :cross: :dance2:

From Sanders to Henning, that's progress immundo!

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 4, 2005 6:59 PM
"I can dig it, he can dig it, she can dig it, we can dig it, they can dig it, you can dig it, Oh, let's dig it. Can you dig it, baby?"

Think of it, NFL quality OC, great rep, finally, a big time coach and a potential, step in and replace Phil guy too!!  :cross:  :dance2:

From Sanders to Henning, that's progress immundo!

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I am beginning to think you have a mancrush on this guy.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Nov 4, 2005 8:53 PM
Are you here just to argue?

I know what the question was, and I also know what your answer was.

My point is that they are two different situations.  He'd most likely be taking a hefty paycut.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind it, looking at Carolina's numbers.  They're 4th in the league in ppg, and rank in the middle of the pack in other offensive categories.

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Your point didn't relate to my post which is what you repled to. As to paycut, who knows, Phil ought to chip back part of his $2M to get this guy.

So we agree, Henning is top choice?

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 4, 2005 9:27 PM
My only problem with that is young      is usually going to translate into unproven.  UT cannot afford to gamble with this one.

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Dan can mold her into a woman, I know he can.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 4, 2005 9:30 PM
I am beginning to think you have a mancrush on this guy.

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If that is what it takes, I'll mancrush him then :biggrin2:

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 4, 2005 7:02 PM
Dan can mold her into a woman, I know he can.

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I was reffering to rollo's post about hiring a young coach. :crazy:

 

[wncvolfan]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 4, 2005 4:58 PM
Henning is mentioned as a prime candidate for OC, he's done a great job with the Panthers offense, QBs love him, often leads the NFL in passes over 20 yards, he would be a great recruiting tool, the only question is he the right man to replace Phil in 2007?  :cross:

Henning might turn Crompton into a Heisman candidate.  :bow:

http://www.panthers.com/team/coachbio.jsp?id=1102

k:  :rock: 

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As a Panther fan, I gotta disagree with Henning doing a great job for the Panthers. He's good but I've seen all their games and if you take superstar Steve Smith out of the lineup, the Panthers are mediocre on offense. No ground game this year. Dulhomme is a wildman and is likely to throw it anywhere to ANYbody, including linebackers and safeties. I could have choked him during the Lions game. Two picks returned for TD's in the first half. He did it all last year and hasn't missed a beat this year until last week against the Vikings. That was because Smith made Fred Smoot look like a high school third stringer and was wide open all day. Henning's got a lot of work to straighten Dulhomme out.

 

[NCGatorBait]

Yes...have to agree with wnc about our Panthers. Also, Henning's philosophy on offense is alot like Sanders. I'd want an OC that wants to open it up more and take more chances.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by wncvolfan@Nov 4, 2005 10:29 PM
As a Panther fan, I gotta disagree with Henning doing a great job for the Panthers.  He's good but I've seen all their games and if you take superstar Steve Smith out of the lineup, the Panthers are mediocre on offense. No ground game this year.  Dulhomme is a wildman and is likely to throw it anywhere to ANYbody, including linebackers and safeties.  I could have choked him during the Lions game.  Two picks returned for TD's in the first half.  He did it all last year and hasn't missed a beat this year until last week against the Vikings.  That was because Smith made  Fred Smoot look like a high school third stringer and was wide open all day.  Henning's got a lot of work to straighten Dulhomme out.

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Panthers lost, what, 4 offensive starters off the O Line? Dulhomme is a tool but he has no running game so he's throwing into coverage all day long.

Look at the list that was offered, I don't want Fridgen's guy b/c it's Fridgen that'd calling that show, Cutcliff = HC, no one else is impressive.

 

[Vol67]

I vote no on Henning.

He hasn't done a good job with Carolina.

 

[wncvolfan]

Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 4, 2005 8:07 PM
Yes...have to agree with wnc about our Panthers. Also, Henning's philosophy on offense is alot like Sanders. I'd want an OC that wants to open it up more and take more chances.

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I hadn't thought about it, but there is a similarity. Carolina runs a lot of wide receiver screens, too. Fortunately they are to Smith who, unlike Vol receivers, can catch the ball and can run like a cheetah after the catch. It's hard to fail with, in my humble opinion, the best receiver in the NFL. And that includes T.O. and R. Moss.

 

[wncvolfan]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 4, 2005 8:15 PM
Panthers lost, what, 4 offensive starters off the O Line? Dulhomme is a tool but he has no running game so he's throwing into coverage all day long.

Look at the list that was offered, I don't want Fridgen's guy b/c it's Fridgen that'd calling that show, Cutcliff = HC, no one else is impressive.

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The two picks against the Lions were not into coverage. It was like he forgot what color uniform he was throwing to. It almost cost them that game. He threw one against Miami when there wasn't a receiver within twenty yards of the spot. That one cost them the game. Read the Charlotte Observer. John Fox says Dulhomme is his man but he wishes he wouldn't make so many bonehead mistakes. I'm still a Dulhomme fan and love to watch him play, but he's just like Forest Gump's box of chocolates. He definitely keeps it interesting right to the end.
I think the Vols need an OC who'll develop a long ball threat to open up the running game. Right now nobody's afraid of the bomb against us. As a result, the RB's pay the price and ultimately the team.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 4, 2005 4:58 PM
the only question is he the right man to replace Phil in 2007?  :cross:

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You've got to be kidding? Henning has to be in his mid 60s now much less what he would be in 2007. What are running here, a football program or an assisted living facility?

...and you might want to go look up his head coaching records at places like the Atlanta Falcons and at Boston College in the mid 90s before you start backing him as CPF's successor.

 

[CSpindizzy]

He's sloppy seconds. And as a Falcons fan, I can say he's not had that great of history around here.

Here is his bio at the Panthers' site:

Coaching
In three years, Dan Henning has transformed the Panthers offense from last in the National Football League to one of the NFL's more efficient attacks. Injuries tested his resourcefulness in 2004, but a quarter-century of NFL coaching experience once again enabled Carolina to finish in the top half of the League in yards gained and points scored. Despite losing players who accounted for more than 60 percent of the team's offense from the previous season, Carolina improved from 16th to 13th in total offense and gained 326.6 yards per game, the second-highest average in team history. Utilizing four different starters at running back, five different line combinations, and two rookie starters, Dan oversaw an offense that scored 20 points or more in seven of the last eight games. For the third consecutive year, Carolina was among the leaders in pass plays of 20 yards or more, tying for fourth last season after ranking seventh in 2003 and finishing third in 2002. In Dan's three years, the Panthers stand fifth in the NFL with 157 total pass plays greater than 20 yards. In addition to his on-field contributions, Dan's experience and knowledge have proven a great resource and perfect complement to head coach John Fox.
In his first season with the Panthers in 2002, Dan took a depleted offensive unit that featured only two players drafted as high as the second round and coaxed enough production for Carolina to win four of its last five games. Quarterback Rodney Peete flourished under Dan's tutelage, posting career highs for pass attempts, completions, yards and touchdowns and compiling three 300-yard passing games, one more than in his previous 13 NFL seasons combined. Jake Delhomme has been the most recent benefactor of Dan's expertise, throwing 48 touchdown passes in his two seasons with Carolina.

In 26 years of coaching in the NFL, Dan has worked with some of the most successful head coaches in League history, including Don Shula, Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells, and has helped develop quarterbacks Joe Theismann, Don Strock, Doug Williams and Vinny Testaverde. Since entering the NFL in 1972 with the Houston Oilers, Dan has served in various roles, including head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach and wide receivers coach. A valued member of Joe Gibbs' staff at Washington in the 1980's, he assisted in the Redskins drives to Super Bowl XVII and XXII titles. During that time, he played an integral role in helping Theismann and Williams to some of their best pro seasons.

Playing and Personal
Following an outstanding career as a quarterback at William and Mary, where he ranked 14th in the nation in passing yardage his senior season in 1963, Dan went to training camp with the San Diego Chargers in 1964 before playing two years in the Continental Football League. Re-signed by San Diego prior to the 1966 season, he remained with the Chargers until the 1967 preseason and finished his playing career with Norfolk of the Continental Football League. Dan was an All-City performer in football at St. Francis Prep in Brooklyn, NY, in addition to being a standout in basketball and baseball.

Born June 21, 1942 in New York City, Dan has five children: three daughters, Mary K., Patty and Terry; two sons, Dan and Mike; and 10 grandchildren: Teddy, Hunter, Taylor, Dillon, Chandler, Erica, Riley, Emily, Cassie and Patrick.

History
Quarterback William & Mary 1961-63. Pro quarterback: San Diego Chargers 1964, 1966-67. College coach: Florida State 1968-70, 1974, Virginia Tech 1971, 1973, Boston College 1994-96 (head coach). Pro coach: Houston Oilers 1972, New York Jets 1976-78, 1998-2000, Miami Dolphins 1979-80, Washington Redskins 1981-82, 1987-88, Atlanta Falcons 1983-86 (head coach), San Diego Chargers 1989-91 (head coach), Detroit Lions 1992-93, Buffalo Bills 1997, New York Jets 1998-2000, joined Panthers in 2002.

 

[wncvolfan]

He's sloppy seconds. And as a Falcons fan, I can say he's not had that great of history around here.

Here is his bio at the Panthers' site:

Coaching
In his first season with the Panthers in 2002, Dan took a depleted offensive unit that featured only two players drafted as high as the second round and coaxed enough production for Carolina to win four of its last five games. Quarterback Rodney Peete flourished under Dan's tutelage, posting career highs for pass attempts, completions, yards and touchdowns and compiling three 300-yard passing games, one more than in his previous 13 NFL seasons combined. Jake Delhomme has been the most recent benefactor of Dan's expertise, throwing 48 touchdown passes in his two seasons with Carolina.

A valued member of Joe Gibbs' staff at Washington in the 1980's, he assisted in the Redskins drives to Super Bowl XVII and XXII titles. During that time, he played an integral role in helping Theismann and Williams to some of their best pro seasons.
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The year before Henning came to Carolina, Seiffert had destroyed that team. Their record in 2001 was 1-15 with 15 straight losses after winning their opener. Strength of NFL schedules are based on the previous year's record. Carolina got a lot of lower level teams on their schedule in '02. Improvement over 1-15 wasn't much of a challenge. As for Jake Dulhomme, he's a winner but he's as eratic as Brett Favre at times. Jake gets a lot of TD's from underthrown balls where the defenders get beyond the receiver and can't come back. These are not by design, more like wild throws with fingers crossed. Others are on long runs after the catch by guys like Smith. Examples: Smith's catch and run against the Rams in the playoffs in OT, Muhammed's catch on the duck against the Eagles, same year, NFC championship game. Worst touchdown pass I ever saw but tickled to death it happened.

As for his success with the Redskins, Joe Bugel and his Hogs had a lot more to do with the Super Bowl win over Miami than
Henning. As for Williams, the year he won his Super bowl, Jay Schraeder was the Skins QB most of the year. Williams lost his job the next year to Mark Ripien.

Sorry, I'm just not impressed with Henning as a great coach and developer of great QB's. Good, yes. Great, no. Better he should stay in the NFL where he fits bettter.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 5, 2005 1:15 AM
You've got to be kidding?  Henning has to be in his mid 60s now much less what he would be in 2007.  What are running here, a football program or an assisted living facility?

...and you might want to go look up his head coaching records at places like the Atlanta Falcons and at Boston College in the mid 90s before you start backing him as CPF's successor.

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Alright then, on the list, who's better?