VP Debate & Me

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VolDad said:
Not to speak for him but I think it points to the saying:

"If you are young and conservative you have no heart, if you are old and liberal you have no brain".
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that's generally the idea. Typically, the student population is extremely liberal, but some years on them typically changes that.
 
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rjd970 said:
I am not going to go into any details, but since you seem to care, here is an overview of me:

Graduated 8 years ago with my undergraduate in engineering from the University of Alabama in Huntsville, finished my masters in engineering this year from Washington University in St. Louis, and have been working professionally for 10 years (2 years of internship). You can do the math on my probable age range. Married, with one child. I am far from "gullible and idealistic" simply because I am "essentially" a student.

Are you satisfied or would I be hiding behind my apparent "righteous indignation" if I wanted to keep everything else off a message board on the internet?
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I can see how someone with that educational background would be scared to death of an evangelical Christian female. What I don't understand is how someone with your educational background is dumb enough to fall for all of the unsubstantiated garbage floating around the internet about Palin. Book banning, men and dinosaurs, rape kits, and so on. It appears as though you've come to a conclusion and will grasp at anything that helps you justify that conclusion even if it means believing a lie.
 
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MG1968 said:
I can see how someone with that educational background would be scared to death of an evangelical Christian female. What I don't understand is how someone with your educational background is dumb enough to fall for all of the unsubstantiated garbage floating around the internet about Palin. Book banning, men and dinosaurs, rape kits, and so on. It appears as though you've come to a conclusion and will grasp at anything that helps you justify that conclusion even if it means believing a lie.
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he also apparently buys Obama's economic plan, which says a lot.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
he also apparently buys Obama's economic plan, which says a lot.
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Alot of people do, which also says alot. Including these notables:

Prominent Economists:
Brad Delong, Berkeley macroeconomist
Joseph Stiglitz, 2001 Nobel laureate
Edmund Phelps, 2006 Nobel laureate
Ray Fair, Yale macroeconomist
Dan McFadden, 2000 Nobel laureate
Robert Solow, 1987 Nobel laureate

Prominent Finance People:
William Donaldson, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair 2003-05
Arthur Levitt, SEC chair 1993-2001
David Ruder, SEC chair 1987-1989
Warren Buffet

But it doesn't matter, and I don't expect BPV to even thinks this counts for anything. Because BPV's expertise is king around here. And anybody that doesn't agree with what he says is "gullible and idealistic".

This is a pretty good representation of why I will more than likely vote democratic for the first time this election:

I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
 
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I can see how someone with that educational background would be scared to death of an evangelical Christian female.
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Amazing how that seems to happen, isn't it?
 
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rjd970 said:
Alot of people do, which also says alot. Including these notables:

Prominent Economists:
Brad Delong, Berkeley macroeconomist
Joseph Stiglitz, 2001 Nobel laureate
Edmund Phelps, 2006 Nobel laureate
Ray Fair, Yale macroeconomist
Dan McFadden, 2000 Nobel laureate
Robert Solow, 1987 Nobel laureate

Prominent Finance People:
William Donaldson, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair 2003-05
Arthur Levitt, SEC chair 1993-2001
David Ruder, SEC chair 1987-1989
Warren Buffet

But it doesn't matter, and I don't expect BPV to even thinks this counts for anything. Because BPV's expertise is king around here. And anybody that doesn't agree with what he says is "gullible and idealistic".

This is a pretty good representation of why I will more than likely vote democratic for the first time this election:

I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
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buying into candidate endorsements almost makes you look stupid. Please remember that there are economists who support Marx, so you'll look less silly listing endorsers. Remember who the Nobel crowd has become as well as you consider endorsements.
I'm a Buffet fan, but he's giving away all of his money, which shouls tell you a lot about his economic politics.

I'll assure you that where I live, my opinion matters much more than anything you might say on this board, especially given that you buy into Obama's economic plan in light of the fact that just the basic math doesn't work.


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MG1968 said:
"amazing" isn't how I'd characterize it. "small minded", "intolerant", and "arrogant" come to mind though.
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Out of curiosity, how does his educational background lead you to suspect he could be characterized in these ways?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
buying into candidate endorsements almost makes you look stupid. Please remember that there are economists who support Marx, so you'll look less silly listing endorsers. Remember who the Nobel crowd has become as well as you consider endorsements.
I'm a Buffet fan, but he's giving away all of his money, which shouls tell you a lot about his economic politics.

I'll assure you that where I live, my opinion matters much more than anything you might say on this board, especially given that you buy into Obama's economic plan in light of the fact that just the basic math doesn't work.


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Which of the above economists are marxists? And giving away all your money to charity is now qualifier of bad economic politics? The fact that a conservative, free market, economist that worked under under Reagan and was Jack Kemp's chief econnomist has now decided not to vote for McCain means nothing too? As the article above suggests, taking the whole picture into account, it is not hard to see who is the better candidate. Obama's economic plan as a single issue, for all it's faults, is not as bad as you make it out to be. That is my opinion. If you think yours matters more then I don't care. When you win a nobel prize or work under a president I might me more inclined to listen.

I frankly don't care whether or not anything I say convinces you or not. You have your opinion, I have mine.
 
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rjd970 said:
Which of the above economists are marxists? And giving away all your money to charity is now qualifier of bad economic politics? The fact that a conservative, free market, economist that worked under under Reagan and was Jack Kemp's chief econnomist has now decided not to vote for McCain means nothing too? As the article above suggests, taking the whole picture into account, it is not hard to see who is the better candidate. Obama's economic plan as a single issue, for all it's faults, is not as bad as you make it out to be. That is my opinion. If you think yours matters more then I don't care. When you win a nobel prize or work under a president I might me more inclined to listen.

I frankly don't care whether or not anything I say convinces you or not. You have your opinion, I have mine.
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you're the one that is acting like I shouldn't have my own opinion or should rely upon the way you form yours. I was simply making it very clear to you that in my neck of the woods, my opinion matters. Further, that I have several reasons to dismiss your opinion as bunk. I did that in response to your acting like I would rely upon my own wits, which was absolutely correct. I'm not here to make you believe my opinion more. I'm here to give mine and see what others think. There are those on this site whose opinions I find insightful and worthwhile, so I'm interested to hear them. You are welcome to place me on ignore, as I apparently don't meet the threshold of worthwhile to you.

As to your drivel about endorsers, etc, I don't care whether any of them are Marxists, but I bet I'd find some hard socialist leanings in the crowd. I also think everyone on earth could find some smart guy that supports a silly worldview. Getting endorsements from a very impressive looking list of PhDs is part of the political realm and is intended to impress. Those typically impressed tend to be people who can't think, IMO.

Last, Jimmy Carter and slimy terrorist Arafat won Nobel Prizes, so writing off their endorsement just isn't very hard to do. Do you really think a hardcore laissez-faire, capitalist economist is going to win anything from that collection of liberal loonies? Please. You lose your own faux objectivity by even trying to source that crowd, whether you believe me about it or not.
 
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you're the one that is acting like I shouldn't have my own opinion or should rely upon the way you form yours.
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Oh? Really? How so? I have no doubt you know what you are talking about. All I am saying is Nobel Prize winners and guys that have worked for republican presidents have found something worthwhile in Obama. You summarily dismiss them because they don't agree with you, and some less than impressive people have won Nobel Prizes. I guess a Nobel Prize means absolutely nothing, because you can name a few people who you can question. That is like me saying all republicans are spend crazy economic morons, because that party twice elected a guy that has done exactly the last 8 years. How reasonable does that sound?

I have no doubt in the world that you know what you are talking about with the economic policy, taxes, etc.. You know more than me, I will admit. But I know enough to form my own opinions though, and it is safe to assume anybody that has won a Nobel Prize or achieved a PhD are smarter at it than both of us. Whether you agree with their conclusions or not, it is a fact that they know what they are talking about.

As to your drivel about endorsers, etc, I don't care whether any of them are Marxists, but I bet I'd find some hard socialist leanings in the crowd....Those typically impressed tend to be people who can't think, IMO.
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Say what you want about my drivel, I was simply responding to your little comment about it saying alot that I buy into Obama's policy. Well, a lot of people do, and because they don't agree with you does not make them stupid, or they "can't think". BTW, I don't even endorse the entirety of his policy, I just think it is better than McCain's. I don't know how any times I can say this before you actually understand it.

Last, Jimmy Carter and slimy terrorist Arafat won Nobel Prizes, so writing off their endorsement just isn't very hard to do. Do you really think a hardcore laissez-faire, capitalist economist is going to win anything from that collection of liberal loonies? Please. You lose your own faux objectivity by even trying to source that crowd, whether you believe me about it or not.
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This makes no sense to me. Because a handful of less than ideal people have won nobel prizes, we should dismiss the whole lot of them outright. Brilliant thinking.
 
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I had a lot of fun VP debate day. It was amazing having all that media on campus....everyone from cnn to daily show analysts (i wish colbert had been there!). I also got on national tv during 2 hardball showings! I was in the very front on one of them...like dead center :). The hardball audience crowd was just like college gameday lol :). And the debate was enjoyable too, even though i wasnt able to get a main ticket for it. All in all, I enjoyed myself.
 
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Oh also, you two, thanks alot for hijacking the thread for your argument... :crazy:

appreciate it
 
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TrueOrange said:
Oh also, you two, thanks alot for hijacking the thread for your argument... :crazy:

appreciate it
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add me to your ignore list and my comments will magically disappear, then you can have your thread more to your liking, which is what internet boards of this nature are about.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
add me to your ignore list and my comments will magically disappear, then you can have your thread more to your liking, which is what internet boards of this nature are about.
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i mean, it was fine for you guys to get on and argue your political beliefs, but you just turned a thread that wasnt about that into it....like the entire argument could have all been it's own thread...
 
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TrueOrange said:
i mean, it was fine for you guys to get on and argue your political beliefs, but you just turned a thread that wasnt about that into it....like the entire argument could have all been it's own thread...
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again, you're welcome to avoid my posts and you can have your threads be seamless topic driven events from soup to nuts.

For example, in this thread, we could have all give you ideas about what to do with your time ad infinitum. How sweet would that have been?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
again, you're welcome to avoid my posts and you can have your threads be seamless topic driven events from soup to nuts.

For example, in this thread, we could have all give you ideas about what to do with your time ad infinitum. How sweet would that have been?
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calm down, i'm not insulting you. I was just trying in that last post not to come off as an ass in my first one before that.
 
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TrueOrange said:
calm down, i'm not insulting you. I was just trying in that last post not to come off as an ass in my first one before that.
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I'm completely calm. Just calling it like I see it.

I have no idea what the second sentence was intended to say.
 
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