Waffle House Shooting

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#27
vol445 said:
I think mental health is a serious issue we don’t know enough about.
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according to reports here, he was in the psych ward at one time -- the dimwit psychiatrist turned him loose -- its all about money and insurance to them -- iirc the picture of the parents house in local paper, looks like they are very very well off
 
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Coug said:
He should be executed immediately.

You harm others and/or take a life then nobody should care what mental illness you have. You're just a burden on society and a murderer.
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Truth, public hanging by the neck until dead.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Truth, public hanging by the neck until dead.
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I am firmly of the belief that our treatment of imprisoned is what gives us the ability to piously say "we're better than [insert country that slices off fingers for shoplifting]"

The minute we regress in our treatment of the imprisoned is the minute we are no better than the "thems" of the world.
 
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crusse10 said:
I am firmly of the belief that our treatment of imprisoned is what gives us the ability to piously say "we're better than [insert country that slices off fingers for shoplifting]"

The minute we regress in our treatment of the imprisoned is the minute we are no better than the "thems" of the world.
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Shoplifting is much lower on the scale than killing or maiming another person.
 
#33
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Coug said:
Shoplifting is much lower on the scale than killing or maiming another person.
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I used that as an example. Basically all of the punishments are far more gruesome than the punishment in America for the same crime
 
#34
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crusse10 said:
I am firmly of the belief that our treatment of imprisoned is what gives us the ability to piously say "we're better than [insert country that slices off fingers for shoplifting]"

The minute we regress in our treatment of the imprisoned is the minute we are no better than the "thems" of the world.
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Well I am talking about murder and am firmly of the belief that if you premeditatedly take a life or lives yours should be forfeit. As far as cruel and unusual punishment for theft or something of that nature, I am all for rehabilitation.
 
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#35
Prosecute both of the parents in this case. Charge them as accomplices. The gun he used was the one taken from him in D.C. when he was arrested there last year. Secret Service returned it to his father. His father then gave it back to his son all while knowing his son had serious mental issues.
 
#36
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Agree the guns never should have been given back to nutso but should the Secret Service have returned them at all? Have to assume there's a huge risk of him getting his hands back on them.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Well I am talking about murder and am firmly of the belief that if you premeditatedly take a life or lives yours should be forfeit. As far as cruel and unusual punishment for theft or something of that nature, I am all for rehabilitation.
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I'm not saying that you should live. I'm saying that the protection of inmates from being killed by other inmates is key. The lack of public execution is key. Following our rule of law is key. The minute that we turn our back on that is the minute we no longer hold the moral high-ground that we love to flaunt.
 
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SaluteToTheHill said:
Agree the guns never should have been given back to nutso but should the Secret Service have returned them at all? Have to assume there's a huge risk of him getting his hands back on them.
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That's where I'm lost.

How is something that is legally confiscated from an adult returned to his parents? I mean, TSA takes up 3 or 4,000 guns a year at airports, a lot from permitted but forgetful owners, and I've never heard of them being returned. They're supposedly "destroyed" (and I'm sure the Hi-Points are...but I'm also fairly sure the Kimbers and Glocks see daylight again but that's beside the point).

How did these make it back to his parents?
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm not saying that you should live. I'm saying that the protection of inmates from being killed by other inmates is key. The lack of public execution is key. Following our rule of law is key. The minute that we turn our back on that is the minute we no longer hold the moral high-ground that we love to flaunt.
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So you believe in private executions? That is a slippery slope.
 
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WallyBalls said:
That's where I'm lost.

How is something that is legally confiscated from an adult returned to his parents? I mean, TSA takes up 3 or 4,000 guns a year at airports, a lot from permitted but forgetful owners, and I've never heard of them being returned. They're supposedly "destroyed" (and I'm sure the Hi-Points are...but I'm also fairly sure the Kimbers and Glocks see daylight again but that's beside the point).

How did these make it back to his parents?
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Some law, I read -- parents are rich and Im sure they had a pompus high paid lawyer on that case
 
#42
#42
WallyBalls said:
That's where I'm lost.

How is something that is legally confiscated from an adult returned to his parents? I mean, TSA takes up 3 or 4,000 guns a year at airports, a lot from permitted but forgetful owners, and I've never heard of them being returned. They're supposedly "destroyed" (and I'm sure the Hi-Points are...but I'm also fairly sure the Kimbers and Glocks see daylight again but that's beside the point).

How did these make it back to his parents?
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They never actually took the guns just the FOID and transferred the guns ownership to the father -- from the artile >>> The suspect told Washington, D.C., police he was a sovereign citizen and had a right to inspect the grounds, according to an incident report.

Reinking was not armed at the time, but at the FBI’s request, Illinois police revoked his state firearms card. Four guns, including the AR-15 used in the shootings, were transferred to his father, a procedure allowed under Illinois law.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm not saying that you should live. I'm saying that the protection of inmates from being killed by other inmates is key. The lack of public execution is key. Following our rule of law is key. The minute that we turn our back on that is the minute we no longer hold the moral high-ground that we love to flaunt.
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I oppose capital punishment but if we are going to have it, executions should be public. Firing squads or hangings in the town square where the trial took place or crime committed.
 
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hog88 said:
I oppose capital punishment but if we are going to have it, executions should be public. Firing squads or hangings in the town square where the trial took place or crime committed.
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go back to Roman times -- charge admission and let the murderer face a couple lions
 
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hog88 said:
I oppose capital punishment but if we are going to have it, executions should be public. Firing squads or hangings in the town square where the trial took place or crime committed.
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