War in Ukraine

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#82,951
volbound1700 said:
I agree that Russia probably doesn't want to do it but that would be the best mechanism to stop European Wars.

People think NATO is just geared at Russia, its original founding came off failure of Western European nations to deal with Nazi Germany and, in a way, was initially more directed at Germany. This was why West Germany's entry was controversial, it is basically the equivalent of Russia joining today.
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Lay off of the revisionist history.

NATO's formation was not geared towards Nazi Germany at all, it was 100% to provide collective defense against the Soviet Union after a Soviet coup in Czechoslovakia in 1947, and the Soviet blockade of West Berlin in 1948, that nearly had the US and the USSR in all-out war.

The reason Germany's introduction into NATO was controversial at the time, was because the rest of Europe was worried about the ramifications of allowing Germany to rearm.
 
#82,952
#82,952
BeardedVol said:
Lay off of the revisionist history.

NATO's formation was not geared towards Nazi Germany at all, it was 100% to provide collective defense against the Soviet Union after a Soviet coup in Czechoslovakia in 1947, and the Soviet blockade of West Berlin in 1948, that nearly had the US and the USSR in all-out war.

The reason Germany's introduction into NATO was controversial at the time, was because the rest of Europe was worried about the ramifications of allowing Germany to rearm.
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Why was that? Explain the initial plan of the Western Union as well which was the precursor to NATO and only included UK, France, and Benelux nations.

There are official US policy documents referencing that NATO and even the EU setup were beneficial to America because they cited that if the Europeans are in an Alliance together, they are less likely to fight a war with each other.
 
#82,953
#82,953
volbound1700 said:
Why was that? Explain the initial plan of the Western Union as well which was the precursor to NATO and only included UK, France, and Benelux nations.

There are official US policy documents referencing that NATO and even the EU setup were beneficial to America because they cited that if the Europeans are in an Alliance together, they are less likely to fight a war with each other.
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Germany's history of invading other European countries goes much further back than 1939.

Germany was going to be the front line of any conflict with the USSR, which is why inviting them to NATO won out over fear of them being rearmed.

So no NATO was not initially formed to keep Nazi Germany from rising again.
 
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#82,961
hog88 said:
Both know the US money is about to dry up so I think it's a tossup.
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yep, Zelenaky is being cut off so I think Zelensky is in a worse position than Putin.

The Art of the Deal...Trump lets both sides to have a little something to crow about so each side can claim victory.
 
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#82,963
jmacvols1 said:
yep, Zelenaky is being cut off so I think Zelensky is in a worse position than Putin.

The Art of the Deal...Trump lets both sides to have a little something to crow about so each side can claim victory.
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Z and P were lining their pockets off US tax dollars sent over there.
 
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