War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Butthurt, no? As you can see I am not happy with my government being involved in all this, but not much I could do about it. Glad the Orange man is at least pulling funding. đź‘Ť If he can save lives, I guess that is good... but I don't see as necessary.




Nobody on this planet is going to win if America puts soldiers in the Ukraine to fight, everyone will lose.... permanently. However, obviously that doesn't seem like a concern anymore.

You can basically stick a fork in this one, Europe is now on deck (see my 2022 posts).
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That will be for different reasons. Russia will sit back and watch that one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
www.pbs.org

WATCH: Macron corrects Trump after he says European support for Ukraine was a loan

Putting his hand on President Donald Trump’s arm, French President Emmanuel Macron said, “We provided real money, to be clear.”
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Love it, Trump getting owned in the WH for his lies.
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I don't see what he got owned about... some of what Europe has been provided was in the form of "loans", which if we believe the reports last week... the Ukraine will stop payment i.e. default on foreign loans. The U.S. did not provide a loan but what Trump is saying is we need an asset to back the money received or an investment which would provide the return.

The basic mineral agreement was first constructed last summer before the Orange man was in office (multiple links have already been provided).

Europe will probably not get any money back, Trump is trying to secure a path to get money back but this is like a 100+ year payback, if at all. Europe will try and look for an exit plan but there really isn't one. They either need to fund the corruption unproductive land mass known as the Ukraine or the Russian eventually push them all to Poland and they secure it all. I take it when he says "real money", he is just talking cash equivalent not equipment, which the U.S. has done both but not on loan agreements.

Also, iirc some of the loans are actual Russian money from the backed frozen bank accounts, but I would think we would have to get into the details of what money is what.

Parliament approves up to €35 billion loan to Ukraine backed by Russian assets | News | European Parliament

Its not likely anyone gets a real ROI here, they would be lucky to get a tiny fraction of principle. If Trump can do better than that at this stage, good on him.

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jwells said:
It's shocking that it's simply light insults with zero evidence.
Anyway, here's some information:
econofact.org

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers? | Econofact

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That is like saying the mafia doesn't get funding because it goes to the garbage company. I think they are in beginning stages of doing an audit under this administration. We'll see.

Let me tell you a story, one of the PM's in the 90s claimed nearly a $500m claim in a forfeit action in the U.S. in which claims he obtain this off of his $10,000 annual salary. If large money laundering isn't go on, you're not in the Ukraine.... its like the national past time instead of baseball, its hide the money. That PM is still fighting for his money in the U.S., nearly 27 years after his arrest.

The U.S. taxpayer will most likely be out of luck for the most part.
 
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lawgator1 said:
www.pbs.org

WATCH: Macron corrects Trump after he says European support for Ukraine was a loan

Putting his hand on President Donald Trump’s arm, French President Emmanuel Macron said, “We provided real money, to be clear.”
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Love it, Trump getting owned in the WH for his lies.
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Sure sounds like a loan from this and every other article about the Extraordinary Revenue Acceleration (ERA) Loans? Seems the main stream media was more obsessed with trying to prove Trump wrong than reporting the facts.....

"These loans will be serviced and repaid by future flows of extraordinary revenues stemming from the immobilization of Russian Sovereign Assets, in line with G7 respective legal systems and international law."

https://www.governo.it/sites/govern...raordinary-Revenue-Acceleration-ERA-Loans.pdf
 
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