War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
See above.

You are responsible for what is going on, a least in good part. Its not my fault you're in denial. There isn't anything I can do about that. They're just telling the Truth, but its not one you will ever accept.
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so Russia invading Ukraine is a lie? I thought we were past this nonsense.
same with Russia invading Georgia and occupying Transnistria?

to the post above, yeah you are missing the context. Yanukoyvch had agreed to sign a trade deal with the US that lifted various sanctions and limits the US had on Ukrainians banks and other lending institutions, as well as some other things. When Yanukoyvch backed out of that deal, the sanctions went back into effect. The Ukrainians weren't happy that the promised changes from Yanukoyvch, namely opening up to the west, wasn't coming. so they were going to hold a special election with Yanukoyvch agreeing to it. But Yanukoyvch got extradited by Russian military before that could happen. after he ended up in a Russian mansion Ukraine impeached him as a traitor.

Its easy to pretend its a conspiracy when you don't know the context and history. you aren't a critical thinker, you are just willfully ignorant to facts that are inconvenient to you.
 
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LouderVol said:
so Russia invading Ukraine is a lie? I thought we were past this nonsense.
same with Russia invading Georgia and occupying Transnistria?
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You are setting up strawman again, I never said any such thing. Absolutely on the rest i.e. CIA. Which is why the same people that claimed we weren't involved in this before are now mad that I suggested we turn these people over.

I ignored the rest of your post.

You don't want to accept personal responsibility, there isn't anything I can do about that.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are setting up strawman again, I never said any such thing. Absolutely on the rest i.e. CIA. Which is why the same people that claimed we weren't involved in this before are now mad that I suggested we turn these people over.

I ignored the rest of your post.

You don't want to accept personal responsibility, there isn't anything I can do about that.
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why would I accept personal responsibility for something that you claim started before I was 5? this is your problem, you are all over the place and just make up a constant litany of bs you never hold yourself accountable for.

of course you ignored the rest, its too inconvenient for you to read up on more of the truth if it challenges what little you know. you found one piece of the puzzle and think that is all there is. meanwhile you ridicule and ignore everyone else who has actually assembled the rest of the puzzle, as if your one piece is all that matters.
 
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LouderVol said:
why would I accept personal responsibility for something that you claim started before I was 5? this is your problem, you are all over the place and just make up a constant litany of bs you never hold yourself accountable for.
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Because your country has been involved in it since that time, we're all responsible. As I said you don't want to accept anything, someone posts video of the U.S. admitting it and it didn't happen. There is nothing anyone can do to help you.

You asked for specifics, I gave them too you about Russia. You just don't like the answer. Nothing I can do for you.
 
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So in the quest for peace, Europe vs Russia or NATO vs Russia leading to WWIII. Who does USA side with in this event. Russia or Europe?
Putin saw the coalitions and to break up the Coalition Forces it will take the USA stepping aside for him to do it. Frankly, I think the US sits on the sidelines as commentators.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
So in the quest for peace, Europe vs Russia or NATO vs Russia leading to WWIII. Who does USA side with in this event. Russia or Europe?
Putin saw the coalitions and to break up the Coalition Forces it will take the USA stepping aside for him to do it. Frankly, I think the US sits on the sidelines as commentators.
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Europe will be fighting with themselves, which is why the are in panic mode. They're not worried about Russia, they are worried Russia won't collapse as the war is in the earlier stages of ending.

War in Ukraine

Had the Minsk ceasefire agreements been implemented over the last 8 years, Donbas would still be part of Ukraine. Just occupied by Russians. With no Ukrainian officials. And with a metric eff ton of "resettled" population that just so happens to change the demographics in Russias favor.... The...
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This all starts when Europe finally figures out the United States isn't there friend. Europe is going to suffer for decades to come either way.
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The fun is only starting for the Europeans, hopefully they don't use nukes on one another.

None of this is really about Russia, the panic is about the collapse and war that will be the EU and others.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Russia doesn't attack NATO members. It doesn't even man its NATO borders. Your cowardice seems to have overcome any ability to think logically on the subject.

I lived through the cold war and used to climb under my desk a few times a year to prep for a nuclear attack, so no I don't live in abject fear of Russia launching an ICBM at an American city like yourself.

I'd suggest you seek out a qualified therapist to help you with your anxiety.
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I get that some of the nuclear discussion is over the top,v worse case scenario etc. But never before in history have American arms been supplied by the US, and used against Russia on Russian soil. As a person who supported Ukraine even I can admit that is an escalation........

Think about it this way, had Russia supplied Mexico with arms under similar circumstances to use against the US on US soil you would be clutching pearls and demanding action.

We're a lot closer to global war than you're willing to admit. It couldn't go on indefinitely, we can't afford it. I don't like the way Trump is going about it, I rarely do...... But ending this war and our support for it is the right move, we can't afford it and have more immediate issues to prepare for/fight.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Europe will be fighting with themselves, which is why the are in panic mode. They're not worried about Russia, they are worried Russia won't collapse as the war is in the earlier stages of ending.

War in Ukraine

Had the Minsk ceasefire agreements been implemented over the last 8 years, Donbas would still be part of Ukraine. Just occupied by Russians. With no Ukrainian officials. And with a metric eff ton of "resettled" population that just so happens to change the demographics in Russias favor.... The...
www.volnation.com www.volnation.com


The fun is only starting for the Europeans, hopefully they don't use nukes on one another.

None of this is really about Russia, the panic is about the collapse and war that will be the EU and others.
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The fighting against themselves statement is over the top and conjecture. Have you even been to Europe?
 
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McDad said:
I'm not sure Russia's nukes are even viable weapons anymore.
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A good portion of their military budget is for nuclear weapons and the delivery systems i.e. hypersonics and others. See Congressional Report from 1998 where Congress discusses this. Russia was never going to spend $1T on their military for a ground based military, it was all about tactical nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The fighting against themselves statement is over the top and conjecture. Have you even been to Europe?
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I've lived there for years, been stationed all over and was permanently in Germany for over 2 years. Total time if I added it up 4-5 years but some assignments were broken up as temporary. Some places I was never was there even if you see pictures of me there.

Europe was always going to fail, the neocons put carrots in front of them i.e. collapse Russia. There are plans within plans now.

(see my comments about the baltics over the last year)
Baltic states 'very unhappy' after UK fails to invite leaders to Ukraine summit

Predicting all this (Ukraine) was the easy part, how it (Europe) plays out now... not so much. Chaos.

The Baltics have been targeted for termination, they should be taking action... like I said in the Fall I believe.
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A major propagandist US and European media misinformation tactic in “reporting” on this press conference was (and still is) to edit out the very obvious words and deeds of Z that occurred before the little clips they want to spin.

 
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LSU-SIU said:
Because your country has been involved in it since that time, we're all responsible. As I said you don't want to accept anything, someone posts video of the U.S. admitting it and it didn't happen. There is nothing anyone can do to help you.

You asked for specifics, I gave them too you about Russia. You just don't like the answer. Nothing I can do for you.
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you have never provided specifics. you provide long winded rants that say nothing at all, very politician of you.

I gave you the context of what you claimed the "US admitted", how can you sit there and lie and say I am saying it didn't happen? I literally explained how it happened. it was in the part you ignored.
 
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KB5252 said:
I get that some of the nuclear discussion is over the top,v worse case scenario etc. But never before in history have American arms been supplied by the US, and used against Russia on Russian soil. As a person who supported Ukraine even I can admit that is an escalation........

Think about it this way, had Russia supplied Mexico with arms under similar circumstances to use against the US on US soil you would be clutching pearls and demanding action.

We're a lot closer to global war than you're willing to admit. It couldn't go on indefinitely, we can't afford it. I don't like the way Trump is going about it, I rarely do...... But ending this war and our support for it is the right move, we can't afford it and have more immediate issues to prepare for/fight.
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Putin literally sent Russian "mercenaries" to attack US special forces in Syria, and we didn't end up in WWIII. Ukraine has been using US weapons to fight back a Russian invasion for 3 years running now, and in spite of Russia threatening nuclear strikes on regular basis, we are no closer to WWIII than we were on 2/24/2022. If all it takes is to say "WWIII" to remove the spine out of American foreign policy, then we might was well surrender any standing we have in the world now.

Capitulating to Putin is the quickest way to make sure that Russian aggression continues and/or occurs again in the future; see Obama/Merkel/Sarkozy in 2014 as a reference.

Back then the GOP hadn't yet morphed into a cult of personality that idolizes strongman dictators.
www.theguardian.com

Obama wary of fight with Republicans over Russia sanctions

GOP pushing for sanctions directed against senior Russian officials close to Putin as administration fears Iran repeat
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KB5252 said:
You're probably right about at least some percentage....... But all it takes is one.
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Do you think if a single nuclear missile is launched from Russia to America, we would launch our full arsenal?

I don't know if we would. I think the "cry wolf" aspect of nuclear war has lost its punch with me. It's been, what, 60 or 70 years where the threat is there but nothing has happened?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
A good portion of their military budget is for nuclear weapons and the delivery systems i.e. hypersonics and others. See Congressional Report from 1998 where Congress discusses this. Russia was never going to spend $1T on their military for a ground based military, it was all about tactical nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
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1998. Does a missile sit in a silo for decades and not degrade over time? Are they keeping their nukes maintained and mission-ready? Are we?
 
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LouderVol said:
you have never provided specifics. you provide long winded rants that say nothing at all, very politician of you.

I gave you the context of what you claimed the "US admitted", how can you sit there and lie and say I am saying it didn't happen? I literally explained how it happened. it was in the part you ignored.
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Yes I did and others did, I said see above. The Trump administration is just going to say, "its complicated" Yesterday, you said the U.S. was involved, than I said it was against the agreement, today you have video of it.

Maybe be a good person, stop ****ing with them. Its not really that hard.
 
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McDad said:
Do you think if a single nuclear missile is launched from Russia to America, we would launch our full arsenal?

I don't know if we would. I think the "cry wolf" aspect of nuclear war has lost its punch with me. It's been, what, 60 or 70 years where the threat is there but nothing has happened?
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You ever see Fail Safe? We ended up trading NY for Moscow.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
So in the quest for peace, Europe vs Russia or NATO vs Russia leading to WWIII. Who does USA side with in this event. Russia or Europe?
Putin saw the coalitions and to break up the Coalition Forces it will take the USA stepping aside for him to do it. Frankly, I think the US sits on the sidelines as commentators.
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I would think America sides with Europe 100%...all things being equal.

I am also beginning to understand better that many of the posters here believe only America can stand in the way of Russian expansion and aggression. I don't agree with that concept.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes I did and others did, I said see above. The Trump administration is just going to say, "its complicated" Yesterday, you said the U.S. was involved, than I said it was against the agreement, today you have video of it.

Maybe be a good person, stop ****ing with them. Its not really that hard.
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I agree. this is why I have said from day 1 it ends when Russia stops effing with them.

as long as that spectre is lingering over Ukraine's head they seem to be saying that anything is preferrable to that. Pretty much all of them are going to have parents who were impacted by Holodomr. their suffering and death will likely only get worse if they are fully under Russian control.
 
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