War in Ukraine

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Orange_Crush said:
I suspect some of that will change if the US gets a mineral deal and puts US civilian and commercial interests on the ground.

But at the end of the day, Ukraine is never getting that land back. They need to just take what is left and move on. It's mean, but reality.

And the west needs to stop trying to use Ukraine as a proxy at Russia's border. The US would be pissed too if Russia installed a proxy regime in MX or Canada and started arming up.
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I suspect probably 90% of the held land stays with the current owner. but last I saw Ukraine still held some small parts of Russia, I doubt that is allowed to end up that way.

I definitely see some horse trading, as well as "cleaning up" the new border that may come with any real peace resolution.
 
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RE: Peace plan and intelligence and weapons suppies resumed.

Nice job, Little Marco... and God forbid... Donald.

Not sure what the real machinations are behind the scenes, but this is great news. Presume Zelenskyy had to mortgage Ukraine to the hilt to get the deal.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, but I assure you Trump cares about it.
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You know what’s quite remarkable LG.

Let’s assume for arguments sake that Trump makes good on his major promises. Hypothetically in a few years the Russia/Ukraine conflict was brought to a reasonable conclusion. Same thing with Israel and their opponents in the Middle East. Domestically, by some miracle, the tariffs worked and our economy is absolutely booming. Border is secure and crime is under control.

Everyone on this board and I bet everyone that knows you personally understands that given the scenario I just described, you will still have only negative things to say about Trump, mostly in an accusatory manner attacking his character in spite of his accomplishments. And yet, it’s Trump that’s the narcissist, not you. Quite remarkable isn’t it.
 
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LouderVol said:
the Russians have been just as unreasonable.

complete demilitarization of Ukraine?
Russian approved leaders?
Russia getting a right of refusal for any Ukrainian FP moving forward?
Partial or total occupation of Ukraine? with Russia having the ability to enforce its own laws in Ukraine?
One sided trade deals that exclude anyone outside of Russia?
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I never said reasonable or unreasonable, I said not realistic. Completely different words and meaning in context. You may deem it unreasonable but the Russians believe its realistic. What the Comedian has put forward is not realistic in nature, whether they believe its not reasonable (what the Russians want) becomes less meaningful by the day.

As far as Trump, the only cards he has is.... fund the endless war or not fund the endless war, the only other real tool is to impose sanctions on the Ukraine and remove Russian sanctions. That is about it. The U.S. and Europeans have more or less played their cards, the Ukraine really never had cards but maybe Kursk area could have been a bargaining asset to a degree but even that seems lost at this point.

I agree with Rubio today, he said the war is over its just about how it finishes (paraphrased). Its been over for 2 1/2 years, but it could take a while before the tally is done.

The war is now onto Europe, the countries that wise up first might be in the strongest position in the coming decades.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
You know what’s quite remarkable LG.

Let’s assume for arguments sake that Trump makes good on his major promises. Hypothetically in a few years the Russia/Ukraine conflict was brought to a reasonable conclusion. Same thing with Israel and their opponents in the Middle East. Domestically, by some miracle, the tariffs worked and our economy is absolutely booming. Border is secure and crime is under control.

Everyone on this board and I bet everyone that knows you personally understands that given the scenario I just described, you will still have only negative things to say about Trump, mostly in an accusatory manner attacking his character in spite of his accomplishments. And yet, it’s Trump that’s the narcissist, not you. Quite remarkable isn’t it.
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Nope. I'd say I underestimated him and he outperformed expectations.

If he continues his chaotic ways and fails in Ukraine, pushes us into recession, will you admit it you overestimated him ?

Even if you would, I just don't see MAGA nation being willing to admit that Trump was in fact not saved by God to run the show.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Nope. I'd say I underestimated him and he outperformed expectations.

If he continues his chaotic ways and fails in Ukraine, pushes us into recession, will you admit it you overestimated him ?

Even if you would, I just don't see MAGA nation being willing to admit that Trump was in fact not saved by God to run the show.
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My expectations of Trump are primarily to secure the border, and to embarrass and expose the democrat party and their lap dogs, the legacy media. Everything he achieves beyond that is a win in my book.

I will say if the GOP loses the White House in 2028, his 2nd term would have to be viewed as mostly a failure regardless of the stats and other factors.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Nope. I'd say I underestimated him and he outperformed expectations.

If he continues his chaotic ways and fails in Ukraine, pushes us into recession, will you admit it you overestimated him ?

Even if you would, I just don't see MAGA nation being willing to admit that Trump was in fact not saved by God to run the show.
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We've been in a soft recession for 2 years now. People are out of money, and that won't change overnight.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Nope. I'd say I underestimated him and he outperformed expectations.

If he continues his chaotic ways and fails in Ukraine, pushes us into recession, will you admit it you overestimated him ?

Even if you would, I just don't see MAGA nation being willing to admit that Trump was in fact not saved by God to run the show.
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Its somewhat likely (something I have spoken about) that Trump and Elon lead the world to RESET and I would generally be supportive of what they are doing anyhow if it comes to that. The Truth can be a dangerous thing when life revolves around massive lies to sustain their existence. The lies always breakdown, even if it happens after our expiration date.

will you admit it you overestimated him ?
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I would say I have underestimated him. (see my prior posts) They are willing to push the boundaries for sure. I'm sure quite a few swamp creatures are running from DC and the Orange man thinking the whole they got him now.

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BeardedVol said:
Don't worry hog, I'm sure any country that could hypothetically invade the US would want some bootlickers amongst the populace to dissuade their fellow citizens from resisting.

You could sing your "peace through surrender" song for everyone
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So what you are saying is that every law abiding citizen should own as many guns as they can afford?

To get ready for the Russian attack should the government arm every citizen?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ah yes, prime the pump to blame Biden for the economic downturn we are starting on two months into the Trump administration, as Trump sells cars on the WH driveway and bounces around about tarrifs on an hourly basis.
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Biden's people said economic things were transitory. Perhaps they still are???
 
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McDad said:
Biden's people said economic things were transitory. Perhaps they still are???
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Inflation was not transitory, they were wrong about that. The problem with Trump and tarrifs is multifaceted: the erratic nature of Trump throwing them out there, then taking them back, then threatening again, all within days, makes business skittish about investing and makes them buy product overseas in advance, to beat tarrifs before they go into effect. This causes inflation, even before tarrifs are added.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ah yes, prime the pump to blame Biden for the economic downturn we are starting on two months into the Trump administration, as Trump sells cars on the WH driveway and bounces around about tarrifs on an hourly basis.
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Surely you remember Biden hyping GM. He had himself filmed squealing tires in a 9,000 pound Hummer and filmed a commercial for himself driving a corvette, talking about the electric one coming out soon that would hit 200 mph. And speaking at GM, of course, about EVs.

GM and Ford, Biden said, were the leaders in the EV industry. All the while he made a huge issue of refusing to speak Tesla’s name, and refused Telsa an invitation to a White House EV “summit.” Did you go ballistic then?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The only card that I see with the Russians is Trump could remove sanctions on them. Its all I got, that is the only card. The Ukrainians and Europeans really have no cards, not really.

This was 8 hours ago, the Russians know this is a long-term affair and it could take longer than 2029 (a new administration).
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus...dont_be_too_quick_to_believe_the_us/#lightbox

The longer Trump is involved, the more it becomes his **** show, imo. He should have just lost everyone's phone number.

The neocons setup up a doozy, no easy off-ramp... a good chance the Russians have to just keep going.
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I think Russia wants a way out of this war but doesn't want to look weak. I don't think it ti's anything special about Trump and Putin, it is just that Russia has taken it on the chin about as much as Ukraine.
 
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