War in Ukraine

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then it’s up to them to take care of it. But pushing them like this is not the right way. I just find it strange that nobody seems to care about the Russian people or the Russian American people here. It’s all about the people of Ukraine.
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Same reason why the German people had to suffer for us to get rid of Hitler. A leader’s sins and misjudgments can have very unpleasant consequences for their people. Heck, we are suffering right now because old Pudding Brain Biden is in charge here 😬
 
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Velo Vol said:
Yet Trump won't even say what Russia is doing is wrong.
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Not his problem. Every reason to duck the question; the press objected to everything he said and did as president when he couldn't ignore them, so why give them the time of day now. We should prefer ex-presidents who keep quiet and don't publicly tell the newer guys what to do.
 
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AM64 said:
Not his problem. Every reason to duck the question; the press objected to everything he said and did as president when he couldn't ignore them, so why give them the time of day now. We should prefer ex-presidents who keep quiet and don't publicly tell the newer guys what to do.
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Yes. The historical norm is for ex Presidents to stay silent about foreign affairs. (Not that Trump is concerned in any form with manners, expectations, or precedent though of course)
 
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landscapingvol said:
Those of you comparing this war to the war in Vietnam is sheer lunacy, they have nothing in common other than being unpopular. The Domino Theory was a very real belief at the time as was the notion that communism was a real threat to World peace. Looking back we can see that Ho Chi Minh had nothing in common with Mao or Stalin and therefore it was a terrible reason to go to war. There is nothing about Ukraine that screams threat to World peace or threat to Russian peace.
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Ukraine is vital to Russia due to its' geography as well as its' history. The first thing a commander looks at when structuring military operations is mobility corridors. The NATO countries on Russia's borders aren't as important because the terrain isn't conducive to large armor formations due to hills and forests. Ukraine, on the other hand, looks more like Iowa - flat farmland. The entire width of the country is one giant mobility corridor (with the exception of the river that is a linear obstacle running N-S through Kiev). In fact, from Hitler to Napoleon and even further back, Russia always gets invaded through the Ukraine. Add to that, the naval ports at the Black Sea and it's obvious why NATO expansion into Ukraine was a red line for Putin.
 
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AM64 said:
Not his problem. Every reason to duck the question; the press objected to everything he said and did as president when he couldn't ignore them, so why give them the time of day now. We should prefer ex-presidents who keep quiet and don't publicly tell the newer guys what to do.
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And even if he did condemn anything it would never make a certain crowd happy. Plus, I learned myself not do condemnations on demand with these people and never apologize to them for anything you say.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I love that "woke ideologies" is included with "evil", corruption, and thuggery. Not saying we should get directly involved, but is Zelensky's government's alleged wokeness really a reason not to help Ukraine? What a demented person.

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Woke ideology makes Madison so mad he wants to go beat up a dead rotten tree.
 
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McDad said:
He might. I tend to view Russian propaganda as SOP.
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Russia has lied to itself and everybody else for so long, why would they change now? It's always been a backwards country then with arrested development thanks to communism when most free countries were moving forward, and there's still no leadership in place to move Russia forward. Just thugs with some relatively impressive military hardware and some bright people who have little opportunity to contribute in any meaningful way.
 
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tbh said:
It's what plants crave!
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Fallout for Russia's spies?
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Just reported on the BBC website by Gordon Corera -

Reports – still unconfirmed – say two senior officials from the FSB – Russia’s Security Service – have been placed under house arrest.
One of them, it is said, is Sergey Beseda – the head of the 5th Service of the FSB. This department is responsible for intelligence gathering and operations in Ukraine. His team is thought to have been behind plans to install a pro-Moscow government in some kind of coup and may be blamed for the failure to understand the level of opposition in the country.

"It seems that after two weeks of war, Putin finally realised that he was simply misled: the 5th Service, afraid of infuriating the leader, simply supplied him with what he himself wanted to hear," said Andrei Soldatov and Irina Borogan, two leading experts on Russia’s spy agencies, who first reported that the arrests may have taken place.

The department was also thought to have been building networks of undercover agents ready to be activated when the invasion started. But either they did not exist as promised or failed to have the desired impact.
If the reports of arrest are confirmed, they could be because someone needs to take the fall for the failures or because of some other manoeuvrings.

“If claims of their arrest are correct, this would indicate that Putin is seriously concerned about the FSB’s role in the military campaign and there could be significant changes at senior levels in the FSB,” one Western official said.

A number of supposed letters from anonymous insiders at the FSB have also been circulating on social media painting a bleak picture inside Russian intelligence – these have also not been confirmed but experts think they sound plausible.

And the extent to which the West has been able to gather its own intelligence on Moscow’s plans will also have set alarm bells ringing – leading to fears in Moscow that they might have Western moles inside their ranks or that their communications are being intercepted.

Add to that the fact that Putin very publicly humiliated the head of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service, the SVR, on the eve of the invasion and you get a sense that beneath the surface of the normally hidden world of Russia’s spies, these are deeply unsettling times.
 
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