War in Ukraine

[BeardedVol]

I hope you understand the Russian lingo ...

 

[LouderVol]

I hope you understand the Russian lingo ...

its very ode to the USSR type of reporting imo.

give a cheerful or good sounding opening. then you report the truth a little later even as it contradicts everything you have said before, including that very speech. very 1984 double speak.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

@LSU-SIU where is your outrage at Putin needlessly sending DPRK men to their deaths?

Madness of the North Korean 'suicide charges'

Kim Jong Un has sent thousands of troops to reinforce the Russian military, including to the Kursk border region, where Ukrainian forces seized territory earlier this year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

Not sure which is the dumber statement in this post, the part where you think I am somehow "profiting" from the war in Ukraine, or the fact that Russia tried to "protect <anyone> from tyranny".

I'm really struggling with this choice...

Let me give you the history... In 2014, there was a coup in Kiev and an Anti- Russian Pro-Western government was installed. The republics in Eastern Ukraine rejected the new government, which resulted in a civil war. Russia tried to settle things with diplomacy, but the West wanted this war. That's why they keep escalating and are now supplying missiles to launch them inside Russia.

The Russian government had legitimate concerns about the expansion of NATO for years because their country has been invaded by European powers countless times. The US and other NATO powers didn't respect Russia's security concerns at all and just kept expanding to the Russian border.

I mean we have NGOs writing white papers admitting that our main foreign policy goal is to eliminate or weaken any country that could be a rival to protect our economic hegemony. This stuff is out there hidden in plain sight for those who don't fall for propaganda. That's what they are trying to do in Ukraine now. The US and NATO provoked and are waging a proxy war in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's not working out for the the West though, is it?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Let me give you the history... In 2014, there was a coup in Kiev and an Anti- Russian Pro-Western government was installed. The republics in Eastern Ukraine rejected the new government, which resulted in a civil war. Russia tried to settle things with diplomacy, but the West wanted this war. That's why they keep escalating and are now supplying missiles to launch them inside Russia.

The Russian government had legitimate concerns about the expansion of NATO for years because their country has been invaded by European powers countless times. The US and other NATO powers didn't respect Russia's security concerns at all and just kept expanding to the Russian border.

I mean we have NGOs writing white papers admitting that our main foreign policy goal is to eliminate or weaken any country that could be a rival to protect our economic hegemony. This stuff is out there hidden in plain sight for those who don't fall for propaganda. That's what they are trying to do in Ukraine now. The US and NATO provoked and are waging a proxy war in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's not working out for the the West though, is it?

This was foretold I would say by the U.S. military in the late 90s, see Congressional Record previously posted.

It's not working out for the the West though, is it?

Probably not the way the uniparty and neocons would like but at the end of the day, they're not paying the bill and the U.S. isn't on the hook directly. Europe will pay the price.



Both the Ukraine and Europe are expendable. Georgia, Romania, and Hungry should consider making medium and long term plans. The best course of action if you are leader of a country and you see the Ukrainian dwarf coming with a handshake, run the other way.

 

[BeardedVol]

Let me give you the history... <snipped Russian nonsense>

Man, I do love it when someone says "let me give you the history", and then proceeds to regurgitate Russian nonsense that they consumed from Facebook/TikTok/Twitter.

Here's an actual history lesson.

Putin spent a decade trying to turn Ukraine into another Belarus before invading Crimea in 2014. In 2004, when Kuchma decided to not run for a third term, even though he was cleared to do so by the constitutional court, he endorsed Victor Yanukovych instead, who also happened to be Putin's choice of president for Ukraine. After an 'election' marred with fraud, and with Putin literally trying to kill the Yanukovych's opponent by poisoning him with dioxin, a new run-off election was held, and Yuschenko was declared the winner. Fast forward to 2010, and Yanukovych runs again, and manages to get elected on a platform of closer ties to the EU. He proceeds to spend the next three years, installing Russian mafia-state corruption in Ukraine's government, while still giving lip service to closer ties to the EU. In late 2013, Ukraine was slated to sign a trade deal with the EU, which Putin vehemently opposed, to the point that he had his cronies threaten Ukrainian statehood if they signed the agreement, and then went on to embargo literally all goods from Ukraine in an attempt to force Yanukovych to capitulate, which he did.

As you can of course imagine, the Ukrainian people, were not happy with Yanukovych's backtracking on his campaign promise of closer ties with the EU, and the Maidan protests began. After three months of Protests, Yanukovych ordered his Berkut security forces to kill protesters, and then absconded to Russia. After abandoning the presidency, the Rada (including members of his own party) voted overwhelmingly to remove him from office, and hold a new election. Yanukovych never returned to Ukraine to participate in the investigation into his actions, or contest his removal in the constitutional court. So to simplify it for your smooth brain, there was no " western coup" in Ukraine.

The Russian government had legitimate concerns about the expansion of NATO for years because their country has been invaded by European powers countless times. The US and other NATO powers didn't respect Russia's security concerns at all and just kept expanding to the Russian border.

This is more Russian revanchist nonsense. Russia signed the NATO founding act in 1997, where they agreed that sovereign nations had the right to choose their own security arrangements, and then Russia went on to form their own Wish-version of NATO, the CSTO in 2002. The reality of NATO's expansion not being a legitimate concern by Russia, is further reinforced by Putin stating in 2002 that he doesn't see NATO as an enemy, the fact that Putin also approached Bill Clinton about Russia itself possibly joining NATO, and the fact that Putin is even on the record in Kremlin documents, stating in 2002 that even Ukraine joining NATO is not a concern.

This is compounded by the fact that since Russia escalated the 2014 invasion of Ukraine in 2022, NATO has expanded further with the addition of Sweden and Finland, and Russia has actually decreased its military presence on the Finnish border in response.

I mean we have NGOs writing white papers admitting that our main foreign policy goal is to eliminate or weaken any country that could be a rival to protect our economic hegemony. This stuff is out there hidden in plain sight for those who don't fall for propaganda. That's what they are trying to do in Ukraine now. The US and NATO provoked and are waging a proxy war in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's not working out for the the West though, is it?

So you are concerned about NGOs writing white papers about foreign policy, while Russia is actively attacking NATO allies in Europe by trying to send bombs through DHL, and assassinate the CEO or Rheinmetall? Let's not even mention the literal weekly threats from Russia to nuke anyone who gives aid to Ukraine, or Putin's himself stating that his goal is to "reclaim Russian lands", since none of that matters if an NGO writes a white paper.

 

[MG1968]

Let me give you the history... In 2014, there was a coup in Kiev and an Anti- Russian Pro-Western government was installed. The republics in Eastern Ukraine rejected the new government, which resulted in a civil war. Russia tried to settle things with diplomacy, but the West wanted this war. That's why they keep escalating and are now supplying missiles to launch them inside Russia.

The Russian government had legitimate concerns about the expansion of NATO for years because their country has been invaded by European powers countless times. The US and other NATO powers didn't respect Russia's security concerns at all and just kept expanding to the Russian border.

I mean we have NGOs writing white papers admitting that our main foreign policy goal is to eliminate or weaken any country that could be a rival to protect our economic hegemony. This stuff is out there hidden in plain sight for those who don't fall for propaganda. That's what they are trying to do in Ukraine now. The US and NATO provoked and are waging a proxy war in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's not working out for the the West though, is it?

Welcome back, @Rasputin_Vol

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

Welcome back, @Rasputin_Vol

Who are you even referring to? I have been posting here for about 8 years. My old screen name was Long-suffering Vol and I recently changed it to Conan the Volbarian before the season.

I just happen to have different opinions on this issue because: I'm a Russian Orthodox Christian, I speak Russian, and have a ton of Russian friends. I even have a friend who lived in Donetsk City when Ukraine was shelling it and killing civilians for years before Russia intervened.

That's all I have to say on this. The facts are out there for those who care about the truth. Where was all the moral outrage and pearl clutching when the US invaded Iraq 20 years ago under false pretenses and turned it into a failed state? Unlike the US, Russia actually tried to settle things diplomatically.

Just look at Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Our government is the not the white knight you imagine it to be. It's power hungry and wants to destroy any country that doesn't bend to its will.

Even now as I type this post, our government is trying to spark a proxy war with China using Taiwan. And Taiwan is internationally recognized as Chinese territory!

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

Man, I do love it when someone says "let me give you the history", and then proceeds to regurgitate Russian nonsense that they consumed from Facebook/TikTok/Twitter.

Here's an actual history lesson.

Putin spent a decade trying to turn Ukraine into another Belarus before invading Crimea in 2014. In 2004, when Kuchma decided to not run for a third term, even though he was cleared to do so by the constitutional court, he endorsed Victor Yanukovych instead, who also happened to be Putin's choice of president for Ukraine. After an 'election' marred with fraud, and with Putin literally trying to kill the Yanukovych's opponent by poisoning him with dioxin, a new run-off election was held, and Yuschenko was declared the winner. Fast forward to 2010, and Yanukovych runs again, and manages to get elected on a platform of closer ties to the EU. He proceeds to spend the next three years, installing Russian mafia-state corruption in Ukraine's government, while still giving lip service to closer ties to the EU. In late 2013, Ukraine was slated to sign a trade deal with the EU, which Putin vehemently opposed, to the point that he had his cronies threaten Ukrainian statehood if they signed the agreement, and then went on to embargo literally all goods from Ukraine in an attempt to force Yanukovych to capitulate, which he did.

As you can of course imagine, the Ukrainian people, were not happy with Yanukovych's backtracking on his campaign promise of closer ties with the EU, and the Maidan protests began. After three months of Protests, Yanukovych ordered his Berkut security forces to kill protesters, and then absconded to Russia. After abandoning the presidency, the Rada (including members of his own party) voted overwhelmingly to remove him from office, and hold a new election. Yanukovych never returned to Ukraine to participate in the investigation into his actions, or contest his removal in the constitutional court. So to simplify it for your smooth brain, there was no " western coup" in Ukraine.



This is more Russian revanchist nonsense. Russia signed the NATO founding act in 1997, where they agreed that sovereign nations had the right to choose their own security arrangements, and then Russia went on to form their own Wish-version of NATO, the CSTO in 2002. The reality of NATO's expansion not being a legitimate concern by Russia, is further reinforced by Putin stating in 2002 that he doesn't see NATO as an enemy, the fact that Putin also approached Bill Clinton about Russia itself possibly joining NATO, and the fact that Putin is even on the record in Kremlin documents, stating in 2002 that even Ukraine joining NATO is not a concern.

This is compounded by the fact that since Russia escalated the 2014 invasion of Ukraine in 2022, NATO has expanded further with the addition of Sweden and Finland, and Russia has actually decreased its military presence on the Finnish border in response.


So you are concerned about NGOs writing white papers about foreign policy, while Russia is actively attacking NATO allies in Europe by trying to send bombs through DHL, and assassinate the CEO or Rheinmetall? Let's not even mention the literal weekly threats from Russia to nuke anyone who gives aid to Ukraine, or Putin's himself stating that his goal is to "reclaim Russian lands", since none of that matters if an NGO writes a white paper.

I cited the white papers because they lay out our country's foreign policy goals and philosophy. And if you look at objective reality, you can see that is what they are doing. It's not just on paper. They are actually implementing that strategy on the world stage. Again, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and Taiwan.

If you look at UN standards, countries are to respect other nations' sovereignty unless the governments of those countries are carrying out humans rights violations against their citizens. Ukraine was doing just that and that fact was confirmed by our own mainstream media and government before the war even started.

We installed a puppet government that is anti-Russian and have been arming them to the teeth for years. Our own government pulled out of a missile treaty with Russia a few years before the war and European leaders openly admitted they never intended to adhere to the Minsk Agreements in the first place. But yeah, it's totally all Russia's fault that this war happened and the West didn't do anything to provoke them.

Do you honestly believe the US wouldn't respond militarily if a hostile government was installed on its border and other countries were arming it to fight against us? If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Mongolia for you....

 

[NorthDallas40]

I cited the white papers because they lay out our country's foreign policy goals and philosophy. And if you look at objective reality, you can see that is what they are doing. It's not just on paper. They are actually implementing that strategy on the world stage. Again, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and Taiwan.

If you look at UN standards, countries are to respect other nations' sovereignty unless the governments of those countries are carrying out humans rights violations against their citizens. Ukraine was doing just that and that fact was confirmed by our own mainstream media and government before the war even started.

We installed a puppet government that is anti-Russian and have been arming them to the teeth for years. Our own government pulled out of a missile treaty with Russia a few years before the war and European leaders openly admitted they never intended to adhere to the Minsk Agreements in the first place. But yeah, it's totally all Russia's fault that this war happened and the West didn't do anything to provoke them.

Do you honestly believe the US wouldn't respond militarily if a hostile government was installed on its border and other countries were arming it to fight against us? If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Mongolia for you....

We did no such thing. The actual record shows Yanukovych ran on a pro western platform and pivoted to Russia once in office and got his ass ran out of the country by his own Parliamentary vote. He now lives in Russia after he left in the middle of the night, after agreeing to Parliament’s terms on him vacating office. Those are the actual facts of the matter. Your post is just the latest rehash of the Russian propaganda version of the story. Which is 100% uncut .

 

[BeardedVol]

I cited the white papers because they lay out our country's foreign policy goals and philosophy. And if you look at objective reality, you can see that is what they are doing. It's not just on paper. They are actually implementing that strategy on the world stage. Again, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and Taiwan.

If you look at UN standards, countries are to respect other nations' sovereignty unless the governments of those countries are carrying out humans rights violations against their citizens. Ukraine was doing just that and that fact was confirmed by our own mainstream media and government before the war even started.

We installed a puppet government that is anti-Russian and have been arming them to the teeth for years. Our own government pulled out of a missile treaty with Russia a few years before the war and European leaders openly admitted they never intended to adhere to the Minsk Agreements in the first place. But yeah, it's totally all Russia's fault that this war happened and the West didn't do anything to provoke them.

Do you honestly believe the US wouldn't respond militarily if a hostile government was installed on its border and other countries were arming it to fight against us? If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Mongolia for you....

Lol Ukraine was zero threat to Russia in 2014 when Russia decided to invade Crimea. They had already been told "no" by NATO in 2008, and there was zero public sentiment for joining NATO even after Russia had invaded.

The people of Ukraine didn't want want to be another Belarus.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I cited the white papers because they lay out our country's foreign policy goals and philosophy. And if you look at objective reality, you can see that is what they are doing. It's not just on paper. They are actually implementing that strategy on the world stage. Again, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya and Taiwan.

If you look at UN standards, countries are to respect other nations' sovereignty unless the governments of those countries are carrying out humans rights violations against their citizens. Ukraine was doing just that and that fact was confirmed by our own mainstream media and government before the war even started.

We installed a puppet government that is anti-Russian and have been arming them to the teeth for years. Our own government pulled out of a missile treaty with Russia a few years before the war and European leaders openly admitted they never intended to adhere to the Minsk Agreements in the first place. But yeah, it's totally all Russia's fault that this war happened and the West didn't do anything to provoke them.

Do you honestly believe the US wouldn't respond militarily if a hostile government was installed on its border and other countries were arming it to fight against us? If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Mongolia for you....

Most of the mentality ill left the thread long ago, only a few of them left. Either way the Ukrainians and the Europeans are and will continue to pay for this. We'll have to see the end result and what the final tab is.

I'm still looking for someone to explain The Plan.

If you're anyone looking for the U.S. for help i.e. a friend, my advice is don't walk.... ****ing run for your life i.e. Georgia, Romania, Hungry, and the Last Ukrainian. Those countries should expect more friendly sanctions and more "mostly peaceful" coups actions. Georgia might have time to save itself. Everyone is a friend to the U.S. until the bombs start dropping, cia gets moving and the sanctions start hitting. Don't worry... the nutjobs will explain to you how Al-Qaeda is your friend now and they need more funds and weapons. (rinse and repeat)

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[MG1968]

Who are you even referring to? I have been posting here for about 8 years. My old screen name was Long-suffering Vol and I recently changed it to Conan the Volbarian before the season.

I just happen to have different opinions on this issue because: I'm a Russian Orthodox Christian, I speak Russian, and have a ton of Russian friends. I even have a friend who lived in Donetsk City when Ukraine was shelling it and killing civilians for years before Russia intervened.

That's all I have to say on this. The facts are out there for those who care about the truth. Where was all the moral outrage and pearl clutching when the US invaded Iraq 20 years ago under false pretenses and turned it into a failed state? Unlike the US, Russia actually tried to settle things diplomatically.

Just look at Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Our government is the not the white knight you imagine it to be. It's power hungry and wants to destroy any country that doesn't bend to its will.

Even now as I type this post, our government is trying to spark a proxy war with China using Taiwan. And Taiwan is internationally recognized as Chinese territory!

Cool story bro.

I’m under no illusions regarding the US and its misadventures all over the globe. But to claim the Russians, led by Putin, are warriors of virtue is laughable.

 

[BeardedVol]

If you're anyone looking for the U.S. for help i.e. a friend, my advice is don't walk.... ****ing run for your life i.e. Georgia, Romania, Hungry, and the Last Ukrainian. Those countries should expect more friendly sanctions and more "mostly peaceful" coups

And if we know anything, it's that Russia has always done right by Georgia, Hungary, Romania, and Ukraine.

The 2008 Russo-Georgian War: Putin’s green light

The 2008 Russo-Georgian War is now widely recognized as a landmark event in Russia's emergence under Vladimir Putin as a revisionist power seeking to reverse the verdict of 1991.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Hungarian Revolution | Uprising, Soviet Union, Imre Nagy | Britannica

Hungarian Revolution, popular uprising in Hungary in 1956, following a speech by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in which he attacked the period of Joseph Stalin’s rule. Encouraged by the new freedom of debate and criticism, a rising tide of unrest and discontent in Hungary broke out into active

www.britannica.com

Soviet occupation of Romania - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Holodomor

Teaser here

cla.umn.edu

 

[FortSanders]

The Ukrainians are once again on the cutting edge of the war in Ukraine. This time they have used ground based and aerial based drones to attack and beat back Russians.

This is from Mick Ryan...

Ukrainian robotic forces recently conducted an uncrewed, air-land assault on Russian positions in the Kharkiv region - and won. An assessment on what this tells us about the future of land combat.​

In the past 48 hours, reports have emerged of a Ukrainian attack on Russian positions near the village of Lyptsi in the Kharkiv region. According to the Kyiv Independent, the attack utilised dozens of uncrewed ground combat vehicles (UGV) and FPV drones. The ground vehicles deployed in the assault conducted several different missions, including surveillance, mine clearing and direct fire using machine guns....

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]