War in Ukraine

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DC_Vol said:
Putin has severely diminished his equipment and manpower to next to nothing. They are in no position to win any large skirmish. Shot their wad on the Ukrainians.
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It is a dumb post. USSR was 10x the strength of Putin's current Russia. Russia may take part of Ukraine back, a nation that was apart of their nation for over 400 years prior to 1991.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. He gave up nothing.

Do you think Vance would ever upstage Trump like that? Or that Trump would let him?

No way. Never.
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www.nytimes.com

U.S. and Ukraine Agree to Minerals Deal, Officials Say

President Trump, who had insisted he wanted “payback” for past military aid to Kyiv, suggested President Volodymyr Zelensky would visit Washington this week to sign an agreement, which he called a “very big deal.”
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. He gave up nothing.

Do you think Vance would ever upstage Trump like that? Or that Trump would let him?

No way. Never.
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www.lemonde.fr

Ukraine and US finalize minerals deal, officials say

Ukraine has agreed on the terms of a minerals deal with the United States and could sign it as early as Friday, a Ukrainian official has said. The agreement, which follows Trump’s demands for compensation for wartime aid, would see the US jointly develop Ukraine’s mineral resources, with...
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DC_Vol said:
Putin has severely diminished his equipment and manpower to next to nothing. They are in no position to win any large skirmish. Shot their wad on the Ukrainians.
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If you really think about, I would argue large military takeovers (multiple countries) are very hard if not impossible at scale (single countries are hard enough). The closest we really have seen is the Nazi blitzkrieg of WWII. Modern monitoring makes huge large scale movements easily traceable. I mean if you get into the beginning of this conflict, they came in and took the supported side of the east and made a quick line to the capital... other than the Ukrainian counterattack... its just meat grinding.

Europe is in trouble and it has nothing to do with Russia, they will be fighting between themselves.... and none of them have much of a military. Nor do they have any ability to create one i.e. cheap energy. This is why mission creep was being used on Russia, in addition to them having tactical nukes.

3 years ago this thread was the Russians couldn't win against the JV, today they're Super Soldiers. Neither one is true.

What the Germans did in WWII is an absolutely amazing feat of engineering and planning that eventually fell apart by scale, that would not be possible today.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Putin doesn't want Zelensky, he wants Ukraine. And what do you mean "give him" to Putin? As in let Putin kill him? Since when does the United States cater to desires of terrorists and dictators? Why are you siding with Russia?
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Actually the U.S. has been funding terrorist groups, and militarily they were supporting terrorist groups like 6 weeks ago, maybe you should see who took over a good part of Syria.

Why are you siding with Russia?
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Actually, the security council now has a neutral stance as to who started it, that is my reading of it. But that is immaterially at this stage, even if one is on the Ukraine side.... what is the plan? You have to have a freaking plan, same thing I said years ago.

What is your plan? Trump is simply saying you don't have cards to play, you don't have money to play.... you need to sit and see if you can find common ground.

Does someone actually have to explain this to you?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
If you really think about, I would argue large military takeovers (multiple countries) are very hard if not impossible at scale (single countries are hard enough). The closest we really have seen is the Nazi blitzkrieg of WWII. Modern monitoring makes huge large scale movements easily traceable. I mean if you get into the beginning of this conflict, they came in and took the supported side of the east and made a quick line to the capital... other than the Ukrainian counterattack... its just meat grinding.

Europe is in trouble and it has nothing to do with Russia, they will be fighting between themselves.... and none of them have much of a military. Nor do they have any ability to create one i.e. cheap energy. This is why mission creep was being used on Russia, in addition to them having tactical nukes.

3 years ago this thread was the Russians couldn't win against the JV, today they're Super Soldiers. Neither one is true.

What the Germans did in WWII is an absolutely amazing feat of engineering and planning that eventually fell apart by scale, that would not be possible today.
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I agree, on a large scale it’s not possible. In the case of Russia Ukraine, it is a meat grinding affair and the loser is the one who submits first. Looks like it will be the Ukrainians. All those lives lost for small land gains.

It’s a shame.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. It was all about bashing Zelensky, on TV, as though it was impromptu.

It wasn't. It was planned.

Absolutely disgusting and the worst embarrassment for the US of perhaps all time.
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Worse than slavery
Worse than civil rights issues
Worse than interment camps
Worse than intentionally killing US citizens without due process
Worse than the needless wars by Bush and Obama

Could go on and on


You really are a clown
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. It was all about bashing Zelensky, on TV, as though it was impromptu.

It wasn't. It was planned.

Absolutely disgusting and the worst embarrassment for the US of perhaps all time.
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Pelosi and Chucky met with him beforehand to coach him. Didn’t go well lol. Trump is a ***** BOSS hoss.
 
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www.nbcnews.com

Biden lost his temper on a call with Zelenskyy when Ukraine's leader asked for more aid

Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he’d just greenlighted another $1 billion in military assistance when the Ukrainian president started listing all the additional help he needed.
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But a phone call between the two leaders in June played out differently from previous ones, according to four people familiar with the call. Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he’d just greenlighted another $1 billion in U.S. military assistance for Ukraine when Zelenskyy started listing all the additional help he needed and wasn’t getting. Biden lost his temper, the people familiar with the call said. The American people were being quite generous, and his administration and the U.S. military were working hard to help Ukraine, he said, raising his voice, and Zelenskyy could show a little more gratitude.


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‘Free world needs a new leader’, says EU foreign chief after Trump Zelenskyy row

In a social media post Kaja Kallas, the EU high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, wrote: “Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor.

“Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”
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These people are so ****ed, panic mode.

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