Warlick picked by US Basketball

[governmentmule]

JUST. SHUT. UP. No one likes you. Absolutely no one.

actually I like quite a few of armchairs post,especially what some players need to do,to improve there game and how well they have been playing

I do disagree with a lot of them too,I think once coach Holly Warlick gets settled into her role as the Head Coach of the Lady Vols,she will be just fine,not that she is doing poorly now and have a year of healthy players,depth has been killing her

it is an honor to be selected to help coach the USA team,so congrats to her and the players going with her

 

[volnationnj]

That was probably my comment, and I stand by it. What does it have to do with the price of tea in China? It was in response to the segment of perpetually entitled and disgruntled fans who fail to recognize that women's basketball is far more competitive today than it was even a decade or so ago. And yes, we know all about UConn and the blathering envy that so many feel toward that particular program being at the top right now. If UConn can, why can't Tennessee, right? I'll tell you why -- 1) Holly Warlick doesn't bend the rules to get recruits, nor did Pat Summitt and 2) UConn hasn't had to stabilize itself and resell itself to recruits following the unexpected retirement of its long time, larger-than-life coach. At some point, and I'm guessing sooner rather than later, UConn is going to be brought back down to Earth. Once that happens, given the growing parity in the game, you aren't going to see a single team win it all year-in and year-out. Those "glory days" will be gone. That doesn't mean Tennessee won't be an excellent, top program year-in and year-out; I'm fully confident it will be as long as the a**hole segment of the fanbase doesn't try to run Warlick off because she doesn't go 1,000,000-0 like they seem to expect. The competition level is getting stronger and highly ranked recruits are now spread among MANY programs rather than just a few, which makes it much more difficult for any given team to keep an unblemished or nearly unblemished record season after season after season.

You know, most fanbases would be thrilled that their head coach was selected for an honor such as this and would be excited about the increased exposure for the program. But at UT? Not a chance. Every thread takes a negative turn. Every NegaVol should be ashamed. The University of Tennessee has some of the most pathetic, unreasonable, ridiculous fans in all of college sports. Anyone who posts a s****y comment about Warlick in this thread ought to be stripped of every piece of UT gear they own and forced to live in Geno Auriemma's basement for the next five years.

You keep repeating the mantra "that women's basketball is far more competitive today than it was even a decade or so ago" yet when asked to provide evidence of such only silence is returned. The same two teams played for the national championship 2 years in a row. Is that parity ? Last year both of those teams were undefeated going into the championship game. Is that parity ? (That actually may be parity but only between those 2 teams) UConn has won 5 of the last 7 NC's. Is that parity ?
I also find it remarkable how you absolutely know what will happen in the future ("you aren't going to see a single team win it all year-in and year-out. Those "glory days" will be gone.") yet when it comes to UConn's demise you can only offer a guess ("At some point, and I'm guessing sooner rather than later, UConn is going to be brought back down to Earth."). BTW, How long is sooner ?
If you think that somehow UConn has an unfair advantage over us then how about Notre Dame ?
They have been in the championship game 4 of the last 5 years. Last year, in the tough ACC, they were undefeated in league play and didn't lose until the national championship game (Now that's parity). Is there some reason we can't duplicate their results ?
I would like to know what your definition of an "excellent, top program year-in and year-out" is and, in your opinion, are we presently on that level ?
Though you may find this surprising, you are not the arbiter of who a Lady Vol fan is and how they should act to qualify as such. Especially one who thinks "" That's why you're not going to see a return of the "glory days" that you so want." Some fans offer blind faith to the team while others are more critical. That's the way every fan base works.
I'm curious, do you allow for the possibility, however slight, that Holly just might not be the right person to coach the LV's back to the top of WCBB ?

 

[ivyleague]

You keep repeating the mantra "that women's basketball is far more competitive today than it was even a decade or so ago" yet when asked to provide evidence of such only silence is returned. The same two teams played for the national championship 2 years in a row. Is that parity ? Last year both of those teams were undefeated going into the championship game. Is that parity ? (That actually may be parity but only between those 2 teams) UConn has won 5 of the last 7 NC's. Is that parity ?
I also find it remarkable how you absolutely know what will happen in the future ("you aren't going to see a single team win it all year-in and year-out. Those "glory days" will be gone.") yet when it comes to UConn's demise you can only offer a guess ("At some point, and I'm guessing sooner rather than later, UConn is going to be brought back down to Earth."). BTW, How long is sooner ?
If you think that somehow UConn has an unfair advantage over us then how about Notre Dame ?
They have been in the championship game 4 of the last 5 years. Last year, in the tough ACC, they were undefeated in league play and didn't lose until the
national championship game (Now that's parity). Is there some reason we can't duplicate their results ?
I would like to know what your definition of an "excellent, top program year-in and year-out" is and, in your opinion, are we presently on that level ?
Though you may find this surprising, you are not the arbiter of who a Lady Vol fan is and how they should act to qualify as such. Especially one who thinks "" That's why you're not going to see a return of the "glory days" that you so want." Some fans offer blind faith to the team while others are more critical. That's the way every fan base works.

I think it's fantastic that Holly was chosen to coach with USA Basketball. It shows that she is respected as both a mentor and a coach and that she is highly-regarded by those who actually coach the game.

My definition of "parity" involves more than looking at the final two games of the season. If that isn't good enough for you, so be it. I'm not continuing this line of discussion, especially not in this thread.

I'm curious, do you allow for the possibility, however slight, that Holly just might not be the right person to coach the LV's back to the top of WCBB ?

No.

 

[governmentmule]

I think that CHW is well capable of getting the Lady Vols back into the Final four and a shot at a National Championship game volnationnj

of course if our beloved CPS was healthy,i do believe that if she hadn't won another championship by now,she would have been a spoiler for the evil empire

but overall the game is getting more parity or at least I think so,more of the top rated players are going else where,to get better playing time,of course we all know what opinions are worth

 

[volnationnj]

actually I like quite a few of armchairs post,especially what some players need to do,to improve there game and how well they have been playing

I do disagree with a lot of them too,I think once coach Holly Warlick gets settled into her role as the Head Coach of the Lady Vols,she will be just fine,not that she is doing poorly now and have a year of healthy players,depth has been killing her

it is an honor to be selected to help coach the USA team,so congrats to her and the players going with her

I like some of his posts too.

 

[Unimane]

I think it's fantastic that Holly was chosen to coach with USA Basketball. It shows that she is respected as both a mentor and a coach and that she is highly-regarded by those who actually coach the game.

My definition of "parity" involves more than looking at the final two games of the season. If that isn't good enough for you, so be it. I'm not continuing this line of discussion, especially not in this thread.

You aren't continuing the discussion because you can't and there's no evidence to support your claim. Your best effort at doing this is some tripe about "well, if you don't see it, then you are just not smart" sort of reasoning, which is odd, since your persona on this board, purportedly, is to call out stupid people and logic. Well........this is stupid logic, or, rather, none.

There's no discernable difference, at all, from the level of the sport 10 years ago than now. Recruits aren't picking a wider variety of schools, unless you have some reasonable evidence to say otherwise.

 

[volnationnj]

I think that CHW is well capable of getting the Lady Vols back into the Final four and a shot at a National Championship game volnationnj

of course if our beloved CPS was healthy,i do believe that if she hadn't won another championship by now,she would have been a spoiler for the evil empire

but overall the game is getting more parity or at least I think so,more of the top rated players are going else where,to get better playing time,of course we all know what opinions are worth

She may very well be capable of getting the Lady Vols back to the final four. But I certainly can't say with with 100% certainty that she is at this point in her coaching career. As far as top rated players going elsewhere. Where they go doesn't determine parity, how those teams perform does. I've looked at the top teams in wcbb in the last few years and there certainly isn't any more parity at the top now then there was years ago.
If anything there's less parity at the very top when measured by undefeated and one loss seasons and by repeat appearances in the final four.

 

[volnationnj]

I think that CHW is well capable of getting the Lady Vols back into the Final four and a shot at a National Championship game volnationnj

of course if our beloved CPS was healthy,i do believe that if she hadn't won another championship by now,she would have been a spoiler for the evil empire

but overall the game is getting more parity or at least I think so,more of the top rated players are going else where,to get better playing time,of course we all know what opinions are worth

Last words on parity then it's sleep time.
In a 34 game season, the optimum parity would be if every team went 17-17. Among the results with the least parity is having 1 team going 34-0 with the next team having a number of losses. If the top team had a 28-6 record, that would be a result that generally demonstrates more parity than the 34-0 record. Which one are we closer to ?

 

[governmentmule]

we know how some teams are getting there undefeated regular seasons,which doesn't mean a lot in the Tournament,other than they are healthy,since they can rest injured players,instead of having to play them,which goes a long way

players going else does impact the game,it makes it harder to recruit,if you are out of the top 2 or 3,it makes it harder to rebuild quickly,or so I think,we are back to opinions again

CHW is still learning what it takes to be the head coach of the Lady Vols,does she have a great insight from her years as coach Summitts assistant ? yes,is it the same as being the head coach ? no,look at what she got this past seasons team to do after Izzy went down,did you think they would do as well as they did ?

she got them to play there hearts out,which to me was quite an accomplishment,they could have folded and gave up,but they didn't

a healthy team for a change is what CHW needs,for a change and in case you haven't noticed,I do drink the Orange Kool Aid but I have prescription sunglasses so there not tinted Orange lol

 

[LasVegasBill23]

I see comments including the one just above me here..... noting injuries which held our team down this past season.... and fact that Holly is still learning her gig.....

What disappoints me is the fact we play down to every team we play..... I do not recall in the past few years any victories vs. those who were better than us..... and egads, we barely could beat a #11 seed with one AA, with our roster of 6 healthy AA's.....

and I always had hoped that Holly's 40 years in the LV program, the best in the business, would put her in the driver's seat of WCBB coaches, and not still entrenched in the learning phase.....

It is my hope that a new roster, and take charge players will change our fortunes next year.

 

[governmentmule]

but hasn't CHW teams been riddled with injuries since she has taken over as the head coach ? I personally thought she has made improvements this year as a head coach,the defensive effort was there,they didn't give up and roll over,like they could have,they were playing hard when they lost to Maryland

like I've said in other threads,somebody has to step up and make a few of those missed lay ups chip shots and a few consistent 3pt shots

I do think the players are on the way this coming season,but we shall see what happens

 

[LasVegasBill23]

but hasn't CHW teams been riddled with injuries since she has taken over as the head coach ? I personally thought she has made improvements this year as a head coach,the defensive effort was there,they didn't give up and roll over,like they could have,they were playing hard when they lost to Maryland

like I've said in other threads,somebody has to step up and make a few of those missed lay ups chip shots and a few consistent 3pt shots

I do think the players are on the way this coming season,but we shall see what happens

Good point, for sure,,,,, I was just pondering the roster.... and excluding the injured ones....Izzy, Mercedes, etc..... we still out-credential every other team we play, including the Turtles from Maryland..... in terms of high school All American status etc..... and we cannot seem to gain any traction vs our stiffer competition......

Hope we can work our way up...... One thing for sure.... we need to highlight coaching on the offensive end...... because if the goal is to get to the Final 4 and seeing who we are up against..... the NDs, UCs, Baylors, and USCs of the world all are offensive ahead of us by a pretty good margin as of this point..... and I would like to think DD and Mercedes are coming to save the day, but I would feel better if I knew that the coaching staff had a plan to coach the offense.... unlike the beginning half of last year..... just one opinion.

 

[Fijivol72]

Every great coach must have been on vacation or otherwise unavailable.

 

[LVJeff]

Does anyone know how the committee members are chosen?

"In addition to Foster, the USA Basketball Women's Junior National Team Committee includes appointees Melanie Balcomb (Vanderbilt), Lindsay Gottlieb (California) and Joi Williams (UCF); and athlete representative Kara Lawson Barling, a 2008 Olympic gold medalist as well as a Tennessee alum."

 

[LVJeff]

Does anyone know why the US didn't compete in 2003 or 2007?

"USA Basketball women's teams have participated in 17 World University Games and collected a record nine golds, six silvers and one bronze medal. Further, since 1973, the first year the USA women competed in the WUGs, USA women's teams have compiled an overall 101-15 record. The USA has won gold medals in the past five WUGs in which it has competed (2001, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2013)."

 

[mtsuraider06]

Does anyone know why the US didn't compete in 2003 or 2007?

"USA Basketball women's teams have participated in 17 World University Games and collected a record nine golds, six silvers and one bronze medal. Further, since 1973, the first year the USA women competed in the WUGs, USA women's teams have compiled an overall 101-15 record. The USA has won gold medals in the past five WUGs in which it has competed (2001, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2013)."

USA Basketball did not send a team under the Team USA banner, but in 2003, a group of Big12 "AllStars" went and played as Team USA. They went 4-4. In 2007, again, USA Basketball didn't field a team, but sent the UNC-Charlotte team as Team USA. They finished 4-3.

 

[Darth_Vol]

So they picked the Northwestern guy as the head coach over the coach of the Lady Vols? Wow.

I don't know anything about McKeown or Warren, but I hope they can teach Holly something about offensive execution....

 

[mutt]

So they picked the Northwestern guy as the head coach over the coach of the Lady Vols? Wow.

I don't know anything about McKeown or Warren, but I hope they can teach Holly something about offensive execution....

Do you ever pass up an opportunity to be snarky?

 

[BMvol27]

So they picked the Northwestern guy as the head coach over the coach of the Lady Vols? Wow.

I don't know anything about McKeown or Warren, but I hope they can teach Holly something about offensive execution....

Better question: do you ever post anything if it's not to bash the team, coach, or players?

 

[teacherdean]

Well, someone other than a message board poster thought she was well qualified, so I'll take their view concerning what is valuable or not over yours.

Give Holly credit when it is due, this lady knows defense. If I were a WBB college coach and I wanted a defensive guru, I would not have a problem with Holly on my staff. She won a lot of games on her defense. I believe that next year with Diamond D. and others the offense will change for the better. If the LV's could have averaged at least 75 points a game, when playing major competition, last year, they would have had three more wins and played in the final four. Though I still am not a big Holly fan, she really came close last year to a final four with three potential and one star seated on the bench. Before we start bad mouthing her, let's see what she does with a potential explosive offense and a very good point guard. We just need a big to spell Russell. Things look bright so why don't we quit complaining and play this thing out.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

First off, congrats to holly. Maybe it will help with recruiting.

I think all the holly concerns will abate next year when they pretty much dismantle every team they face. The sc and nd games might be somewhat competitive, but with ND losing Lloyd, that should give us a sizable talent advantage against them. I will note that ND has an impressive recruiting class coming in..

I feel much better about where we stand next season as opposed to where we started this past season. As far as uconn goes, yes they will still be great and should be a strong front runner to win an unprecedented fourth title in a row, but at least they won't have kml with all her insane dagger like three point shots.

We will all be crowing holly the second coming of pat summitt next season!!

 

[DaddyChoc]

I mostly agree, but I am betting that Geno has one sweet basement man...

I would like to think so... helluva place to be stuck

 

[DaddyChoc]

That was probably my comment, and I stand by it. What does it have to do with the price of tea in China? It was in response to the segment of perpetually entitled and disgruntled fans who fail to recognize that women's basketball is far more competitive today than it was even a decade or so ago. And yes, we know all about UConn and the blathering envy that so many feel toward that particular program being at the top right now. If UConn can, why can't Tennessee, right? I'll tell you why -- 1) Holly Warlick doesn't bend the rules to get recruits, nor did Pat Summitt and 2) UConn hasn't had to stabilize itself and resell itself to recruits following the unexpected retirement of its long time, larger-than-life coach. At some point, and I'm guessing sooner rather than later, UConn is going to be brought back down to Earth. Once that happens, given the growing parity in the game, you aren't going to see a single team win it all year-in and year-out. Those "glory days" will be gone. That doesn't mean Tennessee won't be an excellent, top program year-in and year-out; I'm fully confident it will be as long as the a**hole segment of the fanbase doesn't try to run Warlick off because she doesn't go 1,000,000-0 like they seem to expect. The competition level is getting stronger and highly ranked recruits are now spread among MANY programs rather than just a few, which makes it much more difficult for any given team to keep an unblemished or nearly unblemished record season after season after season.

You know, most fanbases would be thrilled that their head coach was selected for an honor such as this and would be excited about the increased exposure for the program. But at UT? Not a chance. Every thread takes a negative turn. Every NegaVol should be ashamed. The University of Tennessee has some of the most pathetic, unreasonable, ridiculous fans in all of college sports. Anyone who posts a s****y comment about Warlick in this thread ought to be stripped of every piece of UT gear they own and forced to live in Geno Auriemma's basement for the next five years.

bend and break is the difference between getting a violation and not getting a violation

and... "rent free?"

 

[reverseosmosis]

So they picked the Northwestern guy as the head coach over the coach of the Lady Vols? Wow.

I don't know anything about McKeown or Warren, but I hope they can teach Holly something about offensive execution....

This is really unfair to Holly. Being a Summit assistant would not have exposed her to much innovative offense. Pat's teams were never brilliant offensively, other than the Al Brown years.

 

[ivyleague]

You aren't continuing the discussion because you can't and there's no evidence to support your claim. Your best effort at doing this is some tripe about "well, if you don't see it, then you are just not smart" sort of reasoning, which is odd, since your persona on this board, purportedly, is to call out stupid people and logic. Well........this is stupid logic, or, rather, none.

There's no discernable difference, at all, from the level of the sport 10 years ago than now. Recruits aren't picking a wider variety of schools, unless you have some reasonable evidence to say otherwise.

It isn't that I can't. It's that I won't. It is impossible to argue with stupid people. It is impossible to argue with unreasonable people. I won't waste my time arguing with you. I could, but I won't. Learn the difference.