Was Justin Fields way overrated?

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Who are all the powerhouses that currently run pro style run heavy?

Georgia
LSU
Wisconsin
Mich St

Anybody else?
 
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Also, you just can't overreact to limited sample sizes. This past offseason, everyone was talking about how unfair it was that Lawrence couldn't go to the NFL already, and you might as well go ahead and hand Lawrence the next 2 Heismans and Clemson the next 2 titles. There was absolutely an assumption being made that he was going to replicate his national title performance in every single game. Now 5 games into the season, Fields is seemingly the Heisman frontrunner, Georgia made a gigantic mistake not making him their starter (even though they are 4-0, #3 in the country, and Fromm has played well) and Lawrence, while not playing terribly, isn't firing on all cylinders.

Now's probably the time to pump the brakes on Fields a bit, honestly. Ohio St is 5-0 and he's putting up huge numbers, but their best win was at a rebuilding Nebraska team. Ain't played nobody, Pawwwl!
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who are all the powerhouses that currently run pro style run heavy?

Georgia
LSU
Wisconsin
Mich St

Anybody else?
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LSU doesn't run it anymore. They are running a pass-first spread offense now with Burrow and absolutely lighting it up.

Teams like Georgia and Wisconsin that run run-first pro-style offenses are increasingly on islands now. Most everybody is running a full-on spread/read option offense or at the very least running a balanced offense with both conventional and spread concepts mixed in.
 
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05_never_again said:
LSU doesn't run it anymore. They are running a pass-first spread offense now with Burrow and absolutely lighting it up.

Teams like Georgia and Wisconsin that run run-first pro-style offenses are increasingly on islands now. Most everybody is running a full-on spread/read option offense or at the very least running a balanced offense with both conventional and spread concepts mixed in.
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You're right.
 
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05..... Yes, Fromm is a cerebral leader, perfect for what Ga does, something very similar to what Burrow is doing at LSU. Oh, mentioning Burrow, do you think he would be as prolific as Fields if he had stayed at OSU and started this year? That was truly a quandary with Burrow and Haskins, and from what I know, it was a neck-on-neck duel to who was starting.
 
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I suppose that the big reason Fields picked Georgia is that it's his home state school, and it's just down the road from him.
 
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orange blossom said:
05..... Yes, Fromm is a cerebral leader, perfect for what Ga does, something very similar to what Burrow is doing at LSU. Oh, mentioning Burrow, do you think he would be as prolific as Fields if he had stayed at OSU and started this year? That was truly a quandary with Burrow and Haskins, and from what I know, it was a neck-on-neck duel to who was starting.
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Yes, Ohio St was in a quandary with those two. On one of the shows here not too long ago Urban himself said that Burrow just barely lost that QB battle with Haskins. Although Burrow's role in LSU's offense is quite different than Fromm's role in Georgia's.

If Burrow was at Ohio St, I think his passing stats would be pretty similar to Fields's, maybe even a little better. In fact Burrow has thrown for over 400 yards more than Fields has while playing in one less game and has an absolutely absurd completion percentage (80.6%). Fields clearly does more with his legs though.
 
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Totally agree, 05..... Yes, I neglected to say Burrows offense has been pretty much like OSU. He has transformed LSU.
Fields stats would probably be where Burrows are now, maybe better, because he has only played a little more than a half in most of their games. Nebraska is the exception. Now I understand why Burrow tranferred. You couldn't have either one of them sitting, and rightfully so.... I understand also now why OSU fans love him.
 
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Fields and Eason are taking their teams to higher cotton. Never understood why Fields would think a pro-set gig was for him. Smart is super conservative on top of that. This is the reason the transfer portal is slam full of QBs these days. At first, you don't succeed...............
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who are all the powerhouses that currently run pro style run heavy?

Georgia
LSU
Wisconsin
Mich St

Anybody else?
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I haven't watched to see but I dont think LSU is still doing run heavy with Burrow being superman and all that. But idk.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Fields and Eason are taking their teams to higher cotton. Never understood why Fields would think a pro-set gig was for him. Smart is super conservative on top of that. This is the reason the transfer portal is slam full of QBs these days. At first, you don't succeed...............
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Not only a pro set gig, but Fromm had that job on lock down and was coming off his true freshman season. Two years of eligibility left. Perhaps Kirby promised him a bunch of playing time that never materialized? I don't know.

I know Athens is just down the road from where he went to HS in Kennesaw, but still...
 
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Fields, Eason and Hurts have the luxury of not facing SEC defenses each week.

That said, none of the them are overrated imo.
 
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Hurts looks great in that spread offense at Oklahoma, but good gawd, they play the worst defenses imaginable. Still, he has all the tools like Fields...… Eason I compare more in athletic ability to Fromm. He's very good but not as dynamic as those two

I fully expect Oklahoma to lose sometime this year, probably to Texas, because their defense still is pretty bad, and especially having one of the main architects of that disastrous OSU fiasco as their d-coordinator. Not sure if it was mostly him or Schiano and it was probably a combination of both.... actually Schiano was quite good his first 2 years there (top 10 and top 20) but something was really wrong that 3rd year. Makes you think.
 
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Yeah it's bad D and it's Oklahoma's system but the thing about Hurts is so far he's putting up better stats than Mayfield or Murray did, and he's not throwing to Hollywood Brown. He's averaging 15.2 YPA and 9.4 YPC with 4.25 TD's per game. He's gotta come down to earth a little but it's crazy what OU can do for your draft stock.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah it's bad D and it's Oklahoma's system but the thing about Hurts is so far he's putting up better stats than Mayfield or Murray did, and he's not throwing to Hollywood Brown. He's averaging 15.2 YPA and 9.4 YPC with 4.25 TD's per game. He's gotta come down to earth a little but it's crazy what OU can do for your draft stock.
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CeeDee Lamb might be just as good though.

I still don't quite understand why Big 12 defenses are as bad as they are. I used to think it was because at one point Big 12 offenses were fairly unique in running HUNH, but now most schools do that and it seemingly hasn't prevented SEC schools from having good defenses. It isn't like they don't have athletes or highly touted recruits on that side of the ball, but rather just an intentional philosophical decision to not be dominant on that side of the ball. I'll never forget the 2014 TCU/Baylor game...Baylor won 61-58 (in regulation). In the postgame, Briles said he was happy with a win but every other comment was about how they missed some opportunities on offense, had a costly pick 6, etc. I was just sitting there like "Dude, you had a QB throw for 500+ yards and 6 TDs, RBs that ran for 5 YPC, and scored 61 points...I don't think offense was the problem." It's a different way of looking at the game.
 
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05_never_again said:
CeeDee Lamb might be just as good though.

I still don't quite understand why Big 12 defenses are as bad as they are. I used to think it was because at one point Big 12 offenses were fairly unique in running HUNH, but now most schools do that and it seemingly hasn't prevented SEC schools from having good defenses. It isn't like they don't have athletes or highly touted recruits on that side of the ball, but rather just an intentional philosophical decision to not be dominant on that side of the ball. I'll never forget the 2014 TCU/Baylor game...Baylor won 61-58 (in regulation). In the postgame, Briles said he was happy with a win but every other comment was about how they missed some opportunities on offense, had a costly pick 6, etc. I was just sitting there like "Dude, you had a QB throw for 500+ yards and 6 TDs, RBs that ran for 5 YPC, and scored 61 points...I don't think offense was the problem." It's a different way of looking at the game.
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They had Lamb, too (with Mayfield he was a freshman tho), LOL
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah it's bad D and it's Oklahoma's system but the thing about Hurts is so far he's putting up better stats than Mayfield or Murray did, and he's not throwing to Hollywood Brown. He's averaging 15.2 YPA and 9.4 YPC with 4.25 TD's per game. He's gotta come down to earth a little but it's crazy what OU can do for your draft stock.
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So what we need to happen is Lincoln take the Cowboys job when Garrett underachieves again and then he falls apart in the NFC East and realizes the college game is his true love. We then are on our 4th coach in 3 years and then we hire Lincoln Riley. Boom.
 
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I for one hope he wins the Heisman and beats UGA in the playoffs....but my hatred for the Dawgs runs deep!
 
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Russdaddy2027 said:
I for one hope he wins the Heisman and beats UGA in the playoffs....but my hatred for the Dawgs runs deep!
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Let's root for tOSU beating UGA and OU beating Bama.

I'd actually prefer Auburn and LSU ruin both their chances at the playoffs.

Edit/funny thought: if Fields beats UGA in the playoffs, does the baseball player who called him the "n" word become Steve Bartman? Do people know who he is or has he remained anonymous?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
So what we need to happen is Lincoln take the Cowboys job when Garrett underachieves again and then he falls apart in the NFC East and realizes the college game is his true love. We then are on our 4th coach in 3 years and then we hire Lincoln Riley. Boom.
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With Tennessee's luck, that would happen and the narrative when Riley is fired after going 26-24 over 4 seasons would be "Why in the hell did Tennessee hire him - Stoops handed him the keys to the kingdom at Oklahoma and that's why he was good there. The Cowboys and Tennessee are rebuilding jobs, and Riley had never proven he could build anything." Then he'd probably get another chance somewhere else and win a national championship.

Knoxville is where careers go to die.
 
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05_never_again said:
With Tennessee's luck, that would happen and the narrative when Riley is fired after going 26-24 over 4 seasons would be "Why in the hell did Tennessee hire him - Stoops handed him the keys to the kingdom at Oklahoma and that's why he was good there. The Cowboys and Tennessee are rebuilding jobs, and Riley had never proven he could build anything." Then he'd probably get another chance somewhere else and win a national championship.

Knoxville is where careers go to die.
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Another possible dream scenario is the XFL flames out or Stoopes becomes disillusioned with McMahon and XFL after their season. We fire Pruitt that fall after 3 terrible years (right now 16 games down 20 to go😫) Going against our history laughable coaching searches and our inept administration we somehow manage to get Stoopes to become our coach. Anything is possible
 
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volsfan125 said:
Another possible dream scenario is the XFL flames out or Stoopes becomes disillusioned with McMahon and XFL after their season. We fire Pruitt that fall after 3 terrible years (right now 16 games down 20 to go😫) Going against our history laughable coaching searches and our inept administration we somehow manage to get Stoopes to become our coach. Anything is possible
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The longer time goes on, the more and more I think our only way out of this is to luck into hiring a white whale coaching candidate. It won't be Stoops, but would be a Stoops-like coach who had great success somewhere else without a flame out in the end (e.g., not someone like Les Miles). Our admin is so incompetent I don't see them having the skills to identify a diamond in the rough. Then again, our admin also wants a lot of control, and that makes it difficult to attract a top coach too.

Look at other turnarounds in modern times - Saban at Alabama, Harbaugh at Michigan (I know he's an overrated underachiever, but Michigan was irrelevant and consistently missing bowl games before he got there). They got the timing right, and said white whale coach was available when the school had an opening. Tennessee does not have a Scott Frost-type figure out there, so it'll probably have to be someone from the outside.

I have no idea who it would be, and if we luck into this hire 5+ years from now chances are the eventual white whale is a virtual unknown at this point. 5 years is a long time in sports.
 
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