Was Muschamp That Bad Or McElwain That Good?

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I'm curious so lets hear some opinions on the matter.

Was Will Muschamp just that bad of a head coach and he had the talent all along or is Jim McElwain just that good of a head coach?

When do the leftover Muschamp defensive players graduate or when(if at all) do we see a decline in defensive play with regard to coaching changes?
 
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I hate to cop out, but I think it's an even balance of both rather than an extreme either way. If forced to pick, it's definitely shaded to CWM being awful as the face/voice/photoshopped poster icon of the entire team.

CWM being below average

CJM being above average
 
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I think Mac is a really good offensive coach who inherited a really good defense. All he had to do when hired was focus on one side of the ball, which happened to be his specialty. The other side was already elite.
 
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Both I guess

Muschamp is flat out awful boring and conservative in his approach to offense trying to run it every game even tho we weren't that great at it and didn't really use it to set play action or anything

It was infectious the team would come out flat the last 2 years cuz they knew the offense wasn't gonna do **** or even attempt to same ol **** every week

Also couldn't find coaches that could develop qb or wr/te oline play was pretty bad most of tenure too til he found summers his final year

Mac and Nuss are good at developing a game plan to a teams strengths and it looks Mac knows how to hire coaches also by our qb, wr, & te play getting exponentially better so fast
 
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Aesius said:
I think Mac is a really good offensive coach who inherited a really good defense. All he had to do when hired was focus on one side of the ball, which happened to be his specialty. The other side was already elite.
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I agree. There is no question that McElwain knows what he is doing with the offense but I also think the perception of the overall job he is doing would be a lot different if we had just held the lead against them like we should have. The Ole Miss win has already lost some of it's luster. Let's see how they do vs Georgia and Florida St. I'm not completely sold on that team.

Also, before anointing McElwain as the next great SEC coach just remember that as bad a coach as Muschamp was he did go 11-2 in his 2nd season in 2012.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I agree. There is no question that McElwain knows what he is doing with the offense but I also think the perception of the overall job he is doing would be a lot different if we had just held the lead against them like we should have. The Ole Miss win has already lost some of it's luster. Let's see how they do vs Georgia and Florida St. I'm not completely sold on that team.

Also, before anointing McElwain as the next great SEC coach just remember that as bad a coach as Muschamp was he did go 11-2 in his 2nd season in 2012.
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It was a fun season I'm not gonna hate on it but all the star power was on defense really

Except for gillislee he was big time and driskel did Enough but was far from special
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I agree. There is no question that McElwain knows what he is doing with the offense but I also think the perception of the overall job he is doing would be a lot different if we had just held the lead against them like we should have. The Ole Miss win has already lost some of it's luster. Let's see how they do vs Georgia and Florida St. I'm not completely sold on that team.

Also, before anointing McElwain as the next great SEC coach just remember that as bad a coach as Muschamp was he did go 11-2 in his 2nd season in 2012.
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I don't think anyone is anointing McElwain. He was a huge question mark going into Florida and none of the analysts wanted to jump on board. That's why I ask my second question: Once Muschamp's defensive team filters through do we see a drop in defensive performance or is it maintained?
 
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Muschamp was a good defensive coach. He was an awful offensive coach. He didn't push for Derrick Henry(big mistake), he forgot about the offensive line, ignored the tight end position, and had Chris Leak(former QB) as a WR coach. Ray Charles would have done a better job coaching offense than Muachamp.

He did recruit defense, but only patches. D line he got, DB's he got. Ignored linebackers which puts UF where they are now.

Muschamp left talent on the defensive side of the ball. On offense he wanted to play the field position game. 3 plays and punt. Play to not lose was his mentality. Coach Mac has a play to win mentality. Yes Mac is an offensive minded coach but I don't think he completely ignores defense. We will find out in due time.
 
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Mika said:
Muschamp was a good defensive coach. He was an awful offensive coach. He didn't push for Derrick Henry(big mistake), he forgot about the offensive line, ignored the tight end position, and had Chris Leak(former QB) as a WR coach. Ray Charles would have done a better job coaching offense than Muachamp.

He did recruit defense, but only patches. D line he got, DB's he got. Ignored linebackers which puts UF where they are now.

Muschamp left talent on the defensive side of the ball. On offense he wanted to play the field position game. 3 plays and punt. Play to not lose was his mentality. Coach Mac has a play to win mentality. Yes Mac is an offensive minded coach but I don't think he completely ignores defense. We will find out in due time.
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Not that uncommon (not just QB-WR).

Hell, the Yanks had a former Pitcher as a hitting coach.
 
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Strange talk out here that McElwain is interested in the HC job at USC. Weird, but he is a west coast guy...close friend of Colin Cowherd, who just moved to L.A.
 
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It's a bit of both. If McElwain beats UGA, then he'll win the East in his first year. Given the turd sandwich of offensive personnel left by Muschamp, that's quite the accomplishment.
 
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Trojan Princess said:
Strange talk out here that McElwain is interested in the HC job at USC. Weird, but he is a west coast guy...close friend of Colin Cowherd, who just moved to L.A.
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:popcorn:

If so, time to buy stock in lighter fluid, dumpsters, and old couches. In Gainesville, that is.
 
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Trojan Princess said:
Strange talk out here that McElwain is interested in the HC job at USC. Weird, but he is a west coast guy...close friend of Colin Cowherd, who just moved to L.A.
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Such an overblown statement of being a "WestCoast guy". He's spent 10 years of his life out West including his playing days in college. The remainder has been in Midwest or SEC.


He'll also have to fork up close to 10million to leave UF. His UF buyout includes 4mill from Colo State. Would SC pony up that type of money??
 
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HialeahGator said:
Such an overblown statement of being a "WestCoast guy". He's spent 10 years of his life out West including his playing days in college. The remainder has been in Midwest or SEC.


He'll also have to fork up close to 10million to leave UF. His UF buyout includes 4mill from Colo State. Would SC pony up that type of money??
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We said similar about kiffin. :popcorn:
 
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HialeahGator said:
Kiffin was a SC guy.

No way Kiffin's buyout close to 10million.

Mac leaves UF will hire Herman. Win-win imo
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Lane is actually a mid-west guy, born in Nebraska, grew up in Minnesota. He attended Fresno State (Fresno, or "Fresneck" is in Northern California) his only time in SoCal was as an assistant coach at SC.

USC wouldn't pay anyone's buyout..it was one booster that wrote that check that paid Lane's buyout. It would have to be a big name coach for that much money, but who knows, our big time boosters are putting pressure on Heritage Hall and the president to hire a good coach.
 
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I think McElwain is good. There's no way he is $10 Million buy out good. He'll be at Florida for the next several years whether he wins or not.
 
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