Washington AD Calls Oregon an "Embarrassment"

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Nightowl said:
Maybe UW's AD has forgotten all of this... it has been decades since UW has won much of anything...
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Hmm. UW Basketball, has won a Pac-10 title and two tourney titles since 2005.

Softball won the 2009 National Championship and the 2010 Pac 10 championship.

Volleyball won the 2005 National Championship

Women's X-Country won the 2008 National Championship

Men's rowing won the 2007 and 2009 National Championships

Women's Rowing won the 1997, 1998, 2000 and 2001 National Championships.

Football won the National Championship in 1991 (just inside of "decades")

But ya... Like you said, Washington hasn't won much of anything for the last couple of decades...


As for getting tips on destroying traditional powers, talk to Barbara Hedges and Rick Neuheisel.
 
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droski said:
he's right of course.
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I haven't looked at scholastic rankings but have to believe he is not talking out of his arse. And football and Basketball revenue do not help the college of medicine, engineering, etc. But Doctors and Engineers do help fund athletics.
 
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UTHorsey said:
Hmm. UW Basketball, has won a Pac-10 title and two tourney titles since 2005.

Softball won the 2009 National Championship and the 2010 Pac 10 championship.

Volleyball won the 2005 National Championship

Women's X-Country won the 2008 National Championship

Men's rowing won the 2007 and 2009 National Championships

Women's Rowing won the 1997, 1998, 2000 and 2001 National Championships.

Football won the National Championship in 1991 (just inside of "decades")

But ya... Like you said, Washington hasn't won much of anything for the last couple of decades...


As for getting tips on destroying traditional powers, talk to Barbara Hedges and Rick Neuheisel.
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Oh please. I was referring to football... national championships in things like rowing, womens volleyball or softball are all nice and feel good but just don't cut it in most peoples book as far as defining athletic success. Oregon's had success and very recent national titles in a variety of sports, even our dismal basketball team won pac-10 championships and went deep in the tourney in recent memory... but football is what is the yardstick. It's the big business in town.

And yeah, you won a national title 19 years ago. So I'm one year off on my "decades" comment... but unless UW wins a national title next year ( :birgits_giggle: ) it's going to be true.

And the fact is... Washington was a national power house in the early 90's... since then it is undeniably been in a free fall kind of descent hitting rock bottom a few years ago.

I understand that he was trying to make a comment about the importance of state funding for public universities (which is true) and that he was commenting on how poor a job the Oregon legislature does with that (also true) but to claim, as he did, that this is somehow tied to the rise of the athletic program is wrong and illogical and to do so as the AD of a rival school that just had it's 7th consecutive blowout loss to UO... just makes it look like a very sore loser trying to find something to make himself feel better about.
 
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Tampavolz said:
I haven't looked at scholastic rankings but have to believe he is not talking out of his arse. And football and Basketball revenue do not help the college of medicine, engineering, etc. But Doctors and Engineers do help fund athletics.
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Here's a reference. US News & World Report School Rankings.

Stanford- 5
UC Berkley- 22
USC- 23
UCLA- 25
UW- 41
UO- T111
WSU- T111
UA- 120
OSU- 139
ASU- 143

And yet, interesting that despite being tied with another Washington school and completely surpassing the entire state of Arizona... UO got called out individually by name right before a rivalry game where everyone and their brother knew UW was going to get run off the field by a UO team....

Like I said, the guy was just grasping at something to make himself feel better. California schools clearly dominate the top of this list. Washington schools are only a little better off then Oregon schools and Arizona, not Oregon, is lagging behind everyone... yet Oregon got called out... during a rivalry week... Hmm....
 
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The gap between 41 and 111 is pretty large...

UW is one of the better public universities in the nation. UofO is merely a decent school.
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The issue is what he implies:

"In my mind, it's a wonderful athletic facility, but they watched it at the expense of the university go really down."

Like we are funneling money from the state into the athletic department. In actuality Oregon is one of the few self-sufficient athletic departments around.

Basically it's sour grapes. He was asked a question about what he thought of Autzen Stadium and the football team, and academics is the only thing he could fall back on. Stick to your specialty, Mr. LSU Grad.
 
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milohimself said:
The gap between 41 and 111 is pretty large...

UW is one of the better public universities in the nation. UofO is merely a decent school.
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I'm not arguing UW isn't better. It clearly is a better academic institution.

I'm asking why UO got singled out in an argument that was supposedly about "state funding", especially when UO is tied with the other washington state school, and way ahead of Arizona schools. Why are we getting called "an embarrassment"? Especially the day before a rivalry game? A rivalry game that has been DOMINATED by Oregon for the better part of a decade. This was a sore loser trying to make himself feel better.

Also, how does the rise of our athletic department have anything at all to do with the lack of funding for schools like he argued?

One of the things he*(poorly) tried to make the case for was that our athletic success has come at the expense of our academics... Total. BS.

Just another sore loser.

Fortunately... everyone, not just UO fans, seems to recognize this idiocy for what it is... Pat Forde said in his article on ESPN today that the guy "needs a large cup of shut up."
 
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Zenitram said:
The issue is what he implies:

"In my mind, it's a wonderful athletic facility, but they watched it at the expense of the university go really down."

Like we are funneling money from the state into the athletic department. In actuality Oregon is one of the few self-sufficient athletic departments around.
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Exactly.

UW used to OWN Oregon in football. Complete domination of the series. And over the last 15+ years, the tide has turned and now UO has the big bucks in the athletic department, premier facilities, the undefeated record, the #1 ranking and perhaps most importantly in this argument... a 7 game streak of blowout wins (20+ points or more in every game) against UW, the longest win streak by either school in the history of the rivalry.

As an AD... He's undoubtedly feeling some heat. The boosters aren't going to be happy about that. And he shot his mouth off with this sorry excuse. Now he's paying for it.
 
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Funny that Washington is so butthurt. Shut up, go away, and take your mediocre football program and your incredibly overrated QB with you.
 
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Look - Woodward is a tool.

But please stop peddling the tired party line about "self sufficiency." That claim is made by an administration that doesn't seem to see a problem with the Athletic Department not covering the costs of delivering an education to its student athletes. Oregon's AD does better than most, thanks to a ridiculous pile of money from Uncle Phil and a few other large boosters - but by no means are the AD's expenses totally covered without dipping into funds that are theoretically set aside for non-AD expenditures. And lets not talk about the money the AD is saving by having DPS cover most of the costs of the parking garage under the new arena.
 
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He's wrong of course.

UO is hardly an embarrassment relative to the Pac-10 conference (unless half of the entire conference is). While they could always stand to improve their over-all standing academically, state funding is neither a good or even realistic solution in this case. They should go private and leave Oregon State public.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
He's wrong of course.

UO is hardly an embarrassment relative to the Pac-10 conference (unless half of the entire conference is). While they could always stand to improve their over-all standing academically, state funding is neither a good or even realistic solution in this case. They should go private and leave Oregon State public.
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Frohnmayer made a splash around campus my Sophomore year when he said the UO should do just that (i.e., leave the Oregon University System and/or go private.)

There's some precedent for it, OHSU left the Oregon State Education System in '85 and became a public corporation. Though I doubt it'll ever happen.
 
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The state actually mandated that OHSU leave the Oregon University System (or equivalent at the time). At the time OHSU was a joint effort between UO and Willamette University. I imagine UO took a pretty big hit academically because of that.
 
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And now OHSU is one of Oregon's largest employers (Portland's largest).

You're right that it will never happen though. I love it here. But, the place is governed by morons. The only worse leadership in America dictates in San Francisco.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
And now OHSU is one of Oregon's largest employers (Portland's largest).

You're right that it will never happen though. I love it here. But, the place is governed by morons. The only worse leadership in America dictates in San Francisco.
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You would love the politics forum.
 
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