Watson Brown on the 'Drops' This Year

#26
#26
The thing is on four of the six drops, Joe wasn't throwing heaters and they were not off target.

There was a routine sideline pass to White.
Two nice balls to Thornton.
And a touch pass to Small out of the backfield.

You could say the first throw to Bru was a heater. There is also a throw to Bru in the end zone that was very hot but it was well wide of the target too.

I think he took some off of the throw to Castles that was placed behind him and dropped. If he throws it normal Joe speed it might have been right in stride.

Also for reference, the fastest ball ever clocked on radar was 69 mph. I'd guess most of Joe's game throws top out around 65.
 
#32
#32
Don't most receivers wear stickem gloves? They're like fly paper...they almost catch the ball for you.:)
 
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I think this theory is wrong.

Primarily because we could tell watching the game that Joe was taking energy off his short to mid-range throws. Most of them, anyway. He wasn't burning them in like a jugs machine set at top speed. He has clearly been working on taking energy off the pass when the situation allows.

In fact, I've been working on this hypothesis: Joe's throwing slightly behind the receivers at times BECAUSE he's taking some juice off. His brain is still processing the lead based on his capacity, so when the slightly slower ball takes a little longer to get there, it's behind the receiver instead of on his leading shoulder.

I don't know if that's true. It's just a hypothesis. But it makes a lot more sense thus far than posts #1, #7, and #13. I think RockyTop140's last sentence in post #3 is far closer to right than most here.

Go Vols!
 
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I wonder if it would be helpful to let Nico play the first quarter while Joe calms down. Against a good team, Joe is going to lose a game in the first quarter. It was a smart decision last year for the Lady Vols to bring their best player in off the bench.
You often wonder how stupid people can be. Then, someone drops the bar far short of minimum expectations.
 
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All that side, he had a simple, yet brilliant observation on the missed passes and drops. He noted that Hooker would "miss" receivers last year in what is a complex passing offense. The difference is that Hooker didn't throw every pass at 250mph in a tight spiral, so the receivers had a much better chance to adjust and still catch the ball. And they did regularly. With Milton, the same miss is 9 times out of 10 an uncatchable ball, even for excellent receivers. It is simply travelling too fast and has too much juice on it to be catchable if it is a bit off target.

Time will tell.
With all due respect to Watson Brown, who has coached a lot of football while I’ve just practiced a lot of law, his theory doesn’t hold up if you go back and actually watch the passes that were dropped from Saturday. The replay of the game is on YouTube, go check out the misses. The ball that was dropped by Keaton on come back route was thrown hard, but hit him right in the chest, it was probably Joe‘s most on target throw all day. But it had to be thrown hard because he was throwing across his body on the run. Outside of that, the only one I would even rule a fastball was the ball in the end zone that he threw well wide of McCoy. So that wasn’t even a drop, it was just a miss. The other balls should’ve been caught, even if they were a little behind.
 
#40
#40
He throws fastballs, sometimes behind the receivers, your'e not catching those. He's inconsistent and lacks touch on the ball. He needs to run more when it's open.. That's one thing he could do better. The accuracy thing is what it is. Probably not getting a whole lot better.
It appears he has the ability to roll out, or throw accurately on the run. I hope he does some more of that too.
 
#41
#41
I wonder if it would be helpful to let Nico play the first quarter while Joe calms down. Against a good team, Joe is going to lose a game in the first quarter. It was a smart decision last year for the Lady Vols to bring their best player in off the bench.
Apples and oranges
In no way is it fair to Nico or the team to put him in that situation
 
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#42
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Here's my Watson Brown story. When I was in college as a student, I was assistant manager of the Vanderbilt stadium club. My job was to setup the room, usually by my self, and to help facilitate whatever the bartenders and caterers needed during the event. One day my boss tells me that there is an event for the Vanderbilt football team, the media, football club, and major boosters. Watson Brown, the head coach at the time, will be speaking and he has reiterated ad nauseum that there can be no hick-ups concerning the microphone; no static, no piercing screeches, etc. It MUST work perfectly and MUST be double and triple checked, so that there are no issues. My boss mentions that he repeated it three or four times and it was the only thing he seemed to care about. So I setup the tables, chairs and podium according to the diagram. He wanted the podium in front of the windows so that the stadium was framed behind him. This means the microphone is on the opposite side of the room from where it plugs directly into it's wall socket and the sound system. I'm pretty worried because a lot can go wrong with 30+ feet of microphone cable weaved through an event where people are drinking, walking around, and chairs are being moved about. I made sure that the cord was tapped down to the carpet, got a new microphone out of the box, and set the tables up so that there was the least possible chance that a chair would squish the cable. Hours later Watson arrived. He ONLY cared about that microphone. He had me show him all about it. I was happy to do so. I asked if he wanted to do a walk through to make sure he knew how it to operate it and that it was perfect. He looked at me like I was a complete moron, despite the fact I had actually gotten into Vanderbilt as a student. I said, there were a couple of things I wanted to go over with him before he used the mike. He said, condescendingly, something to the affect that he at this point in his career knew how to use a mike. The event started and I'm standing off to the side watching that cable like a hawk. I mean no one in the history of an event has kept a better eye on a microphone cable. As the event is about to start my boss calls me back to the office to ask, "You sure that mike is going to work." "Yeah, no problem," I say. "Did you show him how to use it," she asks. "Yeah, I tried that but he said he knew how to use a microphone and had no interest in doing a run through." She said, "Seriously, that damn mike better work. I heard he has a terrible temper." I say, "It's a mike. It's not rocket science." Almost as the words were out of my mouth. I hear Watson yelling about the mike and telling everyone how he'd gone over and over with that kid, me, about the mike and how unbelievable it was that it didn't work. I mean he is super pissed. My boss goes white and says, "I'm sorry. I may have to fire you but you're still going to have to go out there and fix that mike." She legit felt sorry for me. I mean, I was a damn good employee. At this point, I'm over it as only a young teenager can be. I take my damn sweet time and walk at a leisurely pace up to the podium belying the total panic and anxiety pounding in my chest. There is no way I'm going to let these assholes see me grovel in front of a Vanderbilt football coach. F that I'm a still UT football fan and going to Vandy isn't going to change that. I wore orange in the student section at the UT games for 2 years running already but, well, if you've been to those games, so does 3/4th of the season ticket holders. Everyone in the athletic department knew I was a UT fan first and Vanderbilt fan second. Watson's face is red and he's obviously lost his **** and the room is dead quiet. I can't believe the mike isn't working. I tested it like ten times. I get there, step behind the podium, and immediately see what's wrong. With my right hand I reach across Watson's chest and say, "You gotta turn it on and flip the switch." Bam! Perfect sound. I just as leisurely walk out the way I walked in to every one snickering until out right laughter broke out. Even the football players there were laughing at him. My boss is totally red-faced and says, very calmly, "I think it's best you take the back stairs. I'll stay and see the caterers out."
 
#43
#43
I wonder if it would be helpful to let Nico play the first quarter while Joe calms down. Against a good team, Joe is going to lose a game in the first quarter. It was a smart decision last year for the Lady Vols to bring their best player in off the bench.
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With all due respect to Watson Brown, who has coached a lot of football while I’ve just practiced a lot of law, his theory doesn’t hold up if you go back and actually watch the passes that were dropped from Saturday. The replay of the game is on YouTube, go check out the misses. The ball that was dropped by Keaton on come back route was thrown hard, but hit him right in the chest, it was probably Joe‘s most on target throw all day. But it had to be thrown hard because he was throwing across his body on the run. Outside of that, the only one I would even rule a fastball was the ball in the end zone that he threw well wide of McCoy. So that wasn’t even a drop, it was just a miss. The other balls should’ve been caught, even if they were a little behind.
Yeah, I agree with this.

One good thing that I haven’t seen anyone mention is that at least the drops by our WR indicate CBs probably have a really hard time hanging on to his passes
 
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With all due respect to Watson Brown, who has coached a lot of football while I’ve just practiced a lot of law, his theory doesn’t hold up if you go back and actually watch the passes that were dropped from Saturday. The replay of the game is on YouTube, go check out the misses. The ball that was dropped by Keaton on come back route was thrown hard, but hit him right in the chest, it was probably Joe‘s most on target throw all day. But it had to be thrown hard because he was throwing across his body on the run. Outside of that, the only one I would even rule a fastball was the ball in the end zone that he threw well wide of McCoy. So that wasn’t even a drop, it was just a miss. The other balls should’ve been caught, even if they were a little behind.
And Keyton fumbled a caught pass around Austin Peay 20 yd line. Tenn was called for offensive WR holding calls on two drives that blew up drives and an obvious Austin Peay Pass Interference that wasn't called. Tennessee was in a better offensive rhythm (in 2nd Half) but couldn't cash those drives in for TDs. Have to do those things tomorrow at Florida.
 
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#46
#46
Did we really need another thread to trash our QB?
So many fans and members of the sports media find a topic and refuse to let it go. Even when it is proven wrong by the numbers (67%)and seem to think every regurgitation of the story is a new and fresh idea.

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Whadayado. I try to ignore them so as not to fan the flames. But holy ...., it gets tiring watching a player get roasted by guys and gals who have very little idea whst they are talking about.

Watson Brown was a very good coach and no doubt knows what he is talking about. However, he presented zero new info. Joe throws the ball hard, not new. It is more difficult catching a ball at high velocity, common sense.

Our receivers definitely have to work harder to be successful with Joe at qb, and Joe needs to work harder to throw in front of the receiver.

Milton is a great young man and representative of the program. I wish the recliner coaches could focus on the positives amd quit hsrping in the same negatives they have for three years.
 
#47
#47
I wonder if it would be helpful to let Nico play the first quarter while Joe calms down. Against a good team, Joe is going to lose a game in the first quarter. It was a smart decision last year for the Lady Vols to bring their best player in off the bench.

He hasn’t thrown an INT while at UT. He’s not doing things to lose games.
 
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With all due respect to Watson Brown, who has coached a lot of football while I’ve just practiced a lot of law, his theory doesn’t hold up if you go back and actually watch the passes that were dropped from Saturday. The replay of the game is on YouTube, go check out the misses. The ball that was dropped by Keaton on come back route was thrown hard, but hit him right in the chest, it was probably Joe‘s most on target throw all day. But it had to be thrown hard because he was throwing across his body on the run. Outside of that, the only one I would even rule a fastball was the ball in the end zone that he threw well wide of McCoy. So that wasn’t even a drop, it was just a miss. The other balls should’ve been caught, even if they were a little behind.
Keyton didn't have a drop against AP. In fact, the only drop he's had was the big one in the first game.
 
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