Wazzu coach fired for failing to get vaccinated.

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NO SIR EEE said:
Because you are so pro vaccine, it's sickening. You also stated earlier that it was okay to be brainwashed.
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I am pro-vaccine. The brainwash comment was just trying to provide a little levity.

Your anti-vax position doesn't sicken me per se, even though it risks the well-being of those around you. Why does it bother you what my opinion is?

I have noticed through all this that anti-vaxxers get furious at the thought of any discussion on the topic whereas those who believe like I do find it curious and are open to conversation about it.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
I am pro-vaccine. The brainwash comment was just trying to provide a little levity.

Your anti-vax position doesn't sicken me per se, even though it risks the well-being of those around you. Why does it bother you what my opinion is?

I have noticed through all this that anti-vaxxers get furious at the thought of any discussion on the topic whereas those who believe like I do find it curious and are open to conversation about it.
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Eh, I'm pro-vax, but there are zealots on both sides.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
I am pro-vaccine. The brainwash comment was just trying to provide a little levity.

Your anti-vax position doesn't sicken me per se, even though it risks the well-being of those around you. Why does it bother you what my opinion is?

I have noticed through all this that anti-vaxxers get furious at the thought of any discussion on the topic whereas those who believe like I do find it curious and are open to conversation about it.
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Are you still here? I think it is time to get some work done.

BTW - The difference is you have decided that vaccination is the right choice, while others have decided that it is not the best decision.

You are telling people they should get vaccinated. Is anyone else trying to convince you to stay unvaccinated?

You also said mRNA is safer and more effective than traditional vaccines. Lol.

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Do you think there are any effective treatments for Covid?
 
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gisman said:
Are you still here? I think it is time to get some work done.

BTW - The difference is you have decided that vaccination is the right choice, while others have decided that it is not the best decision.

You are telling people they should get vaccinated. Is anyone else trying to convince you to get vaccinated or stay vaccinated?

You also said mRNA is safer and more effective than traditional vaccines. Lol.

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Do you think there are any effective treatments for Covid?
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Ventilators seem to do a pretty good job the majority of the time.
 
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gisman said:
Are you still here? I think it is time to get some work done.

BTW - The difference is you have decided that vaccination is the right choice, while others have decided that it is not the best decision.

You are telling people they should get vaccinated. Is anyone else trying to convince you to stay unvaccinated?

You also said mRNA is safer and more effective than traditional vaccines. Lol.

From UK
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Do you think there are any effective treatments for Covid?
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From the source of the information above before you cropped it:

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine. Reports to the scheme are known as suspected adverse drug reactions (ADRs).

Vaccines are the best way to protect people from COVID-19 and have already saved thousands of lives. Everyone should continue to get their vaccination when asked to do so unless specifically advised otherwise.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
From the source of the information above before you cropped it:

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine. Reports to the scheme are known as suspected adverse drug reactions (ADRs).

Vaccines are the best way to protect people from COVID-19 and have already saved thousands of lives. Everyone should continue to get their vaccination when asked to do so unless specifically advised otherwise.
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HAHA. So someone saying that they got sick because of the vaccine holds no weight? You think all of these people are lying. These are the only reporting systems we have. How else are you to know if there is a problem?

17,000 deaths in the US
1,700 deaths in the UK
20,000 deaths in the EU

You think they are all lying?

Your comment on ventilators says it all. You are in the "if you don't get the vax, you deserve to die" crowd.

To your last point - I don't think anyone is arguing that the governments of the world aren't pushing vaccines.
 
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gisman said:
HAHA. So someone saying that they got sick because of the vaccine holds no weight? You think all of these people are lying. These are the only reporting systems we have. How else are you to know if there is a problem?

17,000 deaths in the US
1,700 deaths in the UK
20,000 deaths in the EU

You think they are all lying?
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Are they all lying? No.
Are some of them lying? Absolutely.
Are some simply reporting an event that occurred after the administration of the vaccine with absolutely no way of knowing if the vaccine was the proximate cause? Of course.

Again I ask, if you want me to trust something like the VAERS database as a reliable source, what is the level of confidence you believe I ought to have in it? If I should believe that the death count of 17,000 is close to accurate, how much of what else is reported should I also believe?
 
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gisman said:
HAHA. So someone saying that they got sick because of the vaccine holds no weight? You think all of these people are lying. These are the only reporting systems we have. How else are you to know if there is a problem?

17,000 deaths in the US
1,700 deaths in the UK
20,000 deaths in the EU

You think they are all lying?

Your comment on ventilators says it all. You are in the "if you don't get the vax, you deserve to die" crowd.

To your last point - I don't think anyone is arguing that the governments of the world aren't pushing vaccines.
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I don't think they are all lying. I also don't think that 577 of these people died of a 'general disorder' caused by the vaccine nor that 17 died of cancer caused by the vaccine.

I do not believe anyone deserves to die based on their opinion about the Covid vaccine. Furthermore, I believe they have the right to not be vaccinated. The problem arises that employers have rights too.

That last point was not mine. It was copied and pasted from the source of your post before you cropped it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Are they all lying? No.
Are some of them lying? Absolutely.
Are some simply reporting an event that occurred after the administration of the vaccine with absolutely no way of knowing if the vaccine was the proximate cause? Of course.

Again I ask, if you want me to trust something like the VAERS database as a reliable source, what is the level of confidence you believe I ought to have in it? If I should believe that the death count of 17,000 is close to accurate, how much of what else is reported should I also believe?
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Not sure about the level of confidence. Likely isn't great. But it shows that people are getting the vaccine and having some sort of adverse heath reaction that they attribute to the vaccine. I never said it was great, but it is the only reporting we have.

I will say I don't have much confidence in many of the stats being reported.

The entire first year of covid testing results was an absolute clown show. The CDC reduced the cases down from 120,000,000 to 34,000,000 late this summer once they admitted they couldn't tell the difference between Covid and Flu and other colds because they ramped the cycles up so high they could get it to say yes to anything.

Covid deaths are a complete mess as well. Most people who die, die with other co-morbidities, but if you have covid, it is counted as a covid death even if you are battling something else.

If we used the same method for counting vax adverse reactions as covid deaths, they would be through the roof.
 
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gisman said:
Not sure about the level of confidence. Likely isn't great. But it shows that people are getting the vaccine and having some sort of adverse heath reaction that they attribute to the vaccine. I never said it was great, but it is the only reporting we have.

I will say I don't have much confidence in many of the stats being reported.

The entire first year of covid testing results was an absolute clown show. The CDC reduced the cases down from 120,000,000 to 34,000,000 late this summer once they admitted they couldn't tell the difference between Covid and Flu and other colds because they ramped the cycles up so high they could get it to say yes to anything.

Covid deaths are a complete mess as well. Most people who die, die with other co-morbidities, but if you have covid, it is counted as a covid death even if you are battling something else.

If we used the same method for counting vax adverse reactions as covid deaths, they would be through the roof.
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Your second to the last paragraph is incorrect.

Death certificates have to have listed a primary cause of death as well as contributors. Covid would not be listed as a primary cause. It would be pneumonia due to Covid or renal failure due to Covid. Your reasoning would say that a person shot in the chest and who bled to death should not have the gunshot wound counted as the cause of death.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Your second to the last paragraph is incorrect.

Death certificates have to have listed a primary cause of death as well as contributors. Covid would not be listed as a primary cause. It would be pneumonia due to Covid or renal failure due to Covid. Your reasoning would say that a person shot in the chest and who bled to death should not have the gunshot wound counted as the cause of death.
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To expound on this: my grandfather was riddled with dementia. He had numerous health issues, and he likely would have died within the next 2-3 years, tops. He got Covid in his care facility last summer, his kidney and lungs were basically nuked, and he died within a week of being diagnosed.

My grandfather was a sick man with a death sentence. But he was still alive before he got Covid. Should he not count as a Covid death?
 
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For what it's worth, this thread has strayed a bit from the topic.

The question is whether or not Rolovich's firing was lawful and/or justified.
 
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gisman said:
Not sure about the level of confidence. Likely isn't great. But it shows that people are getting the vaccine and having some sort of adverse heath reaction that they attribute to the vaccine. I never said it was great, but it is the only reporting we have.

I will say I don't have much confidence in many of the stats being reported.

The entire first year of covid testing results was an absolute clown show. The CDC reduced the cases down from 120,000,000 to 34,000,000 late this summer once they admitted they couldn't tell the difference between Covid and Flu and other colds because they ramped the cycles up so high they could get it to say yes to anything.

Covid deaths are a complete mess as well. Most people who die, die with other co-morbidities, but if you have covid, it is counted as a covid death even if you are battling something else.

If we used the same method for counting vax adverse reactions as covid deaths, they would be through the roof.
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Further consideration regarding the adjusted numbers:

Why wouldn't it make you more, not less, confident in the CDC (The Government) when they voluntarily corrected an inaccuracy? If you were right, they should have left the numbers as they were because it would serve the narrative better...but they did just the opposite.
 
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bamawriter said:
To expound on this: my grandfather was riddled with dementia. He had numerous health issues, and he likely would have died within the next 2-3 years, tops. He got Covid in his care facility last summer, his kidney and lungs were basically nuked, and he died within a week of being diagnosed.

My grandfather was a sick man with a death sentence. But he was still alive before he got Covid. Should he not count as a Covid death?
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I would say that's a Covid death. My mother-in-law had the same situation. Honestly though, it usually isn't as nebulous as those.
bamawriter said:
For what it's worth, this thread has strayed a bit from the topic.

The question is whether or not Rolovich's firing was lawful and/or justified.
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Forgot about that.

I suspect Washington (the state) holds financial sway over the university and has made it clear they will vaccinate or lose some sort of funding. I doubt the coach has a leg to stand on...lawful, justified, or or other.
 
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