We already have a great three

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cncchris33 said:
13 pts and 7 rebs (all in the 1st half) against COC.
8 pts and 4 rebs against Memphis in Maui.
4 pts and 2 rebs against Pitt.
7 pts and 6 rebs against Louisiana-Monroe.
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10 pts and 7 rebs tonight against Ole Miss.

Those are the five games that he saw the most playing time in (double digit minutes). I don't think its an accident that he is averaging 8.5 ppg and 5 rpg on 19-29 shooting (65.5%) when he receives significant playing time. We can agree to disagree I guess, but I think its obvious that the offense is not keeping him off the court.
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I didn't see two of those games.

I didn't say he is a disaster on offense. He hasn't show consistent offense and when played, he didn't show the offensive potential like he did today.
 
#29
#29
knowthevols said:
What we need is production at the three to help take some of the heat off Golden and our post players.
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Yeah but I don't think Miller can play the 3. And him getting good minutes in the post takes heat off of Golden and the other two post players in a much better manner. Let's say you play Miller at the 3. Who gets his minutes in the post? Yemi? Still not ready. Hall? Suspended. Woolridge? Either hurt or in the doghouse. So even if Miller could play the 3, he has to stay inside so they have some depth.
 
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zjcvols said:
I didn't see two of those games.

I didn't say he is a disaster on offense. He hasn't show consistent offense and when played, he didn't show the offensive potential like he did today.
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I don't think its fair to say he hasn't shown consistency on offense because, in most games, he hasn't played enough. But, in the five games I mentioned (the only five games where he played enough for us to get an accurate feel for him), he has shown to be very consistent in his limited opportunity. His season-high in minutes is 18 in the 2OT game vs Memphis. He has only logged double-digit minutes in the five games I listed and averaged 8.5 pts and 5 rebs while shooting 65.5%. I don't know why you see that as inconsistent. To me, the only thing inconsistent is his defense, and when and how much he plays.

Difference of opinion I guess.
 
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knowthevols said:
This is the question I have, no one one the team is registering one point for every 30 seconds he plays. Play him at the 3.
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I should recant the 22 points in 44 minutes stat. I got that from UT's website stats. He has actually scored 50 points in 132 minutes according to ESPN. I don't know what is up with utsports.com.

To put it in perspective, he scores .38 points per minute played overall for the entire season. That ties him for 4th on the team with Jarnell Stokes, who is on the exact same pace, averaging 8 pts in 23 mpg.

When he plays extended minutes, Miller is averaging 8.5 pts in games where he has played more than 10 mpg (averaging 14 mpg in those five games). In those five games, Miller is scoring .61 points per minute.
 
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knowthevols said:
What we need is production at the three to help take some of the heat off Golden and our post players.
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Miller can not play the 3, that all that needs to be said about that. Woolridge is a better option at 3, thus why we have seen him play the 3 and miller only play post.

Not only that but you're talking about needing production from the 3. Have you not been watching Jordan McRae???

Miller had a good game AS A POST, let's appreciate the game he played and see if he can do it consistently before we start asking him to play out of position. It's one game.

One other little thing, miller hasn't been playing because of his defense. If he was force to guard the oppositions 3 he'd really get exposed. Picture Miller matching up with beal, Taylor, gilchrist type of guys, not pretty.

Very simple, he's a post who is our 4th string post, he's not a 3 nor could he be he just doesn't have that game. As I said Woolridge is more of a 3 than miller, let's be happy with his game last night and hope it can continue.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Miller can not play the 3, that all that needs to be said about that. Woolridge is a better option at 3, thus why we have seen him play the 3 and miller only play post.

Not only that but you're talking about needing production from the 3. Have you not been watching Jordan McRae???

Miller had a good game AS A POST, let's appreciate the game he played and see if he can do it consistently before we start asking him to play out of position. It's one game.

One other little thing, miller hasn't been playing because of his defense. If he was force to guard the oppositions 3 he'd really get exposed. Picture Miller matching up with beal, Taylor, gilchrist type of guys, not pretty.

Very simple, he's a post who is our 4th string post, he's not a 3 nor could he be he just doesn't have that game. As I said Woolridge is more of a 3 than miller, let's be happy with his game last night and hope it can continue.
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Miller may not be a natural three, but, apparently he can score.
All of our 2's and 3's were awol last saturday. What can it hurt to put him in when the SG and wings are on sabbatical and they can't score in a cathouse with a fist full of Clevelands.:)
 
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knowthevols said:
Miller may not be a natural three, but, apparently he can score.
All of our 2's and 3's were awol last saturday. What can it hurt to put him in when the SG and wings are on sabbatical and they can't score in a cathouse with a fist full of Clevelands.:)
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He wouldn't score like e did last night from the perimeter as a 3. He got those looks because he was a post and their post got picked and nobody worried about him.

If you have him playing the 3 everyone and their mother will know what's up.

PLUS, I'd like to see him hit a few more 3's before I'd give him the green light all the time.
 
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knowthevols said:
Miller may not be a natural three, but, apparently he can score.
All of our 2's and 3's were awol last saturday. What can it hurt to put him in when the SG and wings are on sabbatical and they can't score in a cathouse with a fist full of Clevelands.:)
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By this same logic you could put your back up QB in at nose tackle if he had a good game last week and you are struggling to stop the run this week.

On a more serious note, I think Miller logged a few minutes at Bama, was ineffective and then went and sat on the bench the rest of the game. So it's not like he didn't have a chance to show his skills that game. 4 minutes Zero points
 
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zansdad said:
By this same logic you could put your back up QB in at nose tackle if he had a good game last week and you are struggling to stop the run this week.

On a more serious note, I think Miller logged a few minutes at Bama, was ineffective and then went and sat on the bench the rest of the game. So it's not like he didn't have a chance to show his skills that game. 4 minutes Zero points
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Hahaha!
 
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#38
I'm not an NBA scout but I feel Miller is a better player than Kenny Hall and desreves more minutes. He hasn't too many games where he has had the chance to show what he can do. I'm sorry, but 4 minutes of PT does not even allow him to get in the flow of a game. Offensively, he is a much better player than Hall.
 
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1985Vols said:
I'm not an NBA scout but I feel Miller is a better player than Kenny Hall and desreves more minutes. He hasn't too many games where he has had the chance to show what he can do. I'm sorry, but 4 minutes of PT does not even allow him to get in the flow of a game. Offensively, he is a much better player than Hall.
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If our coach was worried about offense then maybe, but our coach is defense first.

As far as defense goes hall is light years ahead of miller, and that's why hall was our 3rd option not miller. Heck, miller couldn't even beat out yemi until last night, clearly he just doesn't show anything in practice.

With that said, it was one game, hall is still out so he will continue to get opportunities. Let's see how he plays.
 
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I agree, lets see how he does and hope he is a better player on the road than at home. That's the best case scenario IMO.
 
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zansdad said:
By this same logic you could put your back up QB in at nose tackle if he had a good game last week and you are struggling to stop the run this week.

On a more serious note, I think Miller logged a few minutes at Bama, was ineffective and then went and sat on the bench the rest of the game. So it's not like he didn't have a chance to show his skills that game. 4 minutes Zero points
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You forgot to mention that he had 1/db and 2 blocked shots which would seem to indicate if he is not scoring then he is contributing defensively. JMO
 
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knowthevols said:
You forgot to mention that he had 1/db and 2 blocked shots which would seem to indicate if he is not scoring then he is contributing defensively. JMO
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This entire thread has been about Miller's scoring outburst not his defense. Martin has proved with Tatum that he values defense and effort over offensive numbers. So if Miller really was getting it done defensively he would be getting more minutes already.
 
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