We lead the SEC in Rushing Offense

#51
#51
Man.....there are times I wish we ran a normal offense because if you look back at the last 20 years of national championships, they ran college versions of pro stuff. I know a lot of that is Saban, but look how much he changed over his tenure. When he started at Bama is was all power run, game manager QB, slow developing play action. Then he jumped on the spread train but kept some of those concepts while introducing new wrinkles. However, his concepts were always close to what we see in the pros, but simplified enough for a college QB.

Not criticizing Heupel at all here, but he is running a scheme that is more likely to work in a bush league like the Big 12 but may or may not work in the SEC. Plus pace and space are not concepts in the NFL, meaning other schools can go open season trash talking you to recruits about how we run a gimmick offense that is too reliant on things that are not relevant to their ultimate goal of playing on Sunday.
What UT does looks different, but it’s just football. It’s not a gimmick. If anything, it’s not gimmicky enough.

Here’s what I mean: Texas runs a beautiful offense, and you can’t tell from formation what you’re getting. They run at every gap. They throw to every eligible receiver. They run screens and deep routes off the same formation. It’s all misdirection and eye discipline.

UT runs a much simpler core offense in terms of ways it attacks you. Heupel wants to run the ball, and the wide split WRs make it easy to tell if the numbers favor the run. Every wide formation play can be triple option (in theory if not reality): WR screen, hand off, QB run. Pass plays are primarily designed to beat man or give the WR a post-snap choice to adjust against zone. The route tree is less complex but the idea is that you’re primarily throwing into favorable matchups, so you don’t need the same complexity. There is obviously more to the passing concepts for passing downs, but the core offense wants to run into light boxes or throw against isolated defenders.

This year, for debatable reasons, the matchups aren’t clicking. But there’s not a schematic fix that keeps the core offensive principles in place. Width on offense rules out the possibility of out-breaking routes or mesh/spot concepts in a quick passing game. Even a 3-step drop from the QB can require a 20-35 yard throw because of the starting width.

The offense just has to execute better. The OL has to win blocks. The WR/QB combo have to hit on explosive plays when they’re there. If either the run or pass gets clicking, it will open up matchups in the other.
 
#52
#52
Unfortunately we are one demensional
Yep and if we don't run the Heupel fast offense and let Nico just play, Bama is gonna boat race us. Our defense is good, but this will be the best offense we've faced to date. Milton and Williams will be really hard to handle especially with Pili out. Heupel needs to get back to running his offense instead of coaching scared. Let the kids play. Yeah, they'll make mistakes, but I'd rather go down giving bama my best punch.
 
#53
#53
Yep and if we don't run the Heupel fast offense and let Nico just play, Bama is gonna boat race us. Our defense is good, but this will be the best offense we've faced to date. Milton and Williams will be really hard to handle especially with Pili out. Heupel needs to get back to running his offense instead of coaching scared. Let the kids play. Yeah, they'll make mistakes, but I'd rather go down giving bama my best punch.
This Bama O is so odd because they cannot run the ball consistently. Justice Haynes has not really stepped up like some thought he would, and Milroe designed runs are getting more predictable. Milroe is dangerous when he gets a full head of steam, but he seems to get caught a lot right at the line or before.

I am fearful Milroe is going to light us up though. Their other WRs are pretty good outside of Williams too.
 
#54
#54
What UT does looks different, but it’s just football. It’s not a gimmick. If anything, it’s not gimmicky enough.

Here’s what I mean: Texas runs a beautiful offense, and you can’t tell from formation what you’re getting. They run at every gap. They throw to every eligible receiver. They run screens and deep routes off the same formation. It’s all misdirection and eye discipline.

UT runs a much simpler core offense in terms of ways it attacks you. Heupel wants to run the ball, and the wide split WRs make it easy to tell if the numbers favor the run. Every wide formation play can be triple option (in theory if not reality): WR screen, hand off, QB run. Pass plays are primarily designed to beat man or give the WR a post-snap choice to adjust against zone. The route tree is less complex but the idea is that you’re primarily throwing into favorable matchups, so you don’t need the same complexity. There is obviously more to the passing concepts for passing downs, but the core offense wants to run into light boxes or throw against isolated defenders.

This year, for debatable reasons, the matchups aren’t clicking. But there’s not a schematic fix that keeps the core offensive principles in place. Width on offense rules out the possibility of out-breaking routes or mesh/spot concepts in a quick passing game. Even a 3-step drop from the QB can require a 20-35 yard throw because of the starting width.

The offense just has to execute better. The OL has to win blocks. The WR/QB combo have to hit on explosive plays when they’re there. If either the run or pass gets clicking, it will open up matchups in the other.
Our offense is based on speed and finding the weak spots in the defense. The problem is we have run the same offense for 4 years with very little change. If we don't go fast, the defense is adjusting to the formation and waiting for the play. If we do not get a WR open in 3 seconds, our offense is in trouble. Our play calling patter has been VERY predictable and even quick play calling is not as affective as it has been in the past.
 
#55
#55
Things look different when you slice the data differently. For example, UT leads the SEC in rushing yardage for all games, but it is 4th if you consider only SEC games. Further, if you look at yards per rush (which compares apples to apples by ignoring teams that dedicate more plays to running), UT is 12th in the conference against SEC opponents.

Compare that with UT’s rushing defense, which is near the best in the conference in both total numbers and yards per play, regardless of opponent.

Stats are skewed when you consider Kent & Chattanooga. And really ncst, which is garbage..
 
#56
#56
Nico missed 4-5 open looks that if he even completes 2-3 of them the Florida game is a two-score win and that statement is blatantly false. WR's were creating separation, Nico just missed some throws that he's already proven he can make. It's going to click for him at some point, hopefully this week.
A couple of those weren't Nico misses, but Nimrod drops.
 
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#57
IF and it is a big IF - we can hit some deep shots and force Bama to respect the pass we should see light boxes and our running game should eat all afternoon.

However, if we can't get the passing game going it's going to be a tough afternoon. We barely skated by UF without a passing attack and they are awful. I don't see us beating Bama trying to do what we did against UF.
We were close on a couple of deep shots vs UF. Let's hope we get there Saturday.
 
#58
#58
By now (AR and FL) I think we know the playbook. It’s limited. I don’t understand why.
Sooner or later dad tosses the kid the keys to the hot rod and just says go drive. This needs to happen soon with Nico. Yeah he is you with limited experience, but he was here last year to learn and practice. Granted I don't think Milton was the best guy to watch and learn from, but he has got to put it together. That is on Heupel to get him up to speed. I hope it is tomorrow. It would be incredible to see a '22 level offense with this defense.
 
#60
#60
If we kind hook up on some deep throws, we have enough to be able to put up points and we have a run game that is good. We are close guys.
 
#61
#61
Yep and if we don't run the Heupel fast offense and let Nico just play, Bama is gonna boat race us. Our defense is good, but this will be the best offense we've faced to date. Milton and Williams will be really hard to handle especially with Pili out. Heupel needs to get back to running his offense instead of coaching scared. Let the kids play. Yeah, they'll make mistakes, but I'd rather go down giving bama my best punch.
Agreed

Like they boat-raced Vandy and South Carolina, whose defenses are sooooooo amazing.

Yep, we goan get kilt.
 
#62
#62
Sooner or later dad tosses the kid the keys to the hot rod and just says go drive. This needs to happen soon with Nico. Yeah he is you with limited experience, but he was here last year to learn and practice. Granted I don't think Milton was the best guy to watch and learn from, but he has got to put it together. That is on Heupel to get him up to speed. I hope it is tomorrow. It would be incredible to see a '22 level offense with this defense.
I’m not sure about the keys narrative but this offense needs a turbo charger. Maybe Heup needs to do like the 4th and 1 from our 10 and just say “do whatever it takes to get it done kid”.

I just know my eyes see a much slower, regulated, predictable offense that is not fun to watch.

Something must change but Heup options seem limited.
 
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#63
And we’re excellent in most defensive categories. Alabama is ranked 14th in the league against the run and hasn’t played anyone in the top 3rd of the league in rushing. If we take care of the ball, we’re going to be in this until the end.
Better than be in it, we are going to beat the brakes off of then. All Gas No Brakes!
 
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#64
Our offense is based on speed and finding the weak spots in the defense. The problem is we have run the same offense for 4 years with very little change. If we don't go fast, the defense is adjusting to the formation and waiting for the play. If we do not get a WR open in 3 seconds, our offense is in trouble. Our play calling patter has been VERY predictable and even quick play calling is not as affective as it has been in the past.
And we aren’t going near as fast with time per play…

2021 1st 19.2
2022 2nd 20.2
2023 4th 21.2
2024 28th 24.5
 
#65
#65
Bama's pass D is statistically worse than Florida's. They have been a major question mark.

The Florida game is so frustrating because the short throws could have really helped there against that loaded front. Just need a few quick release plays.
Their secondary is awful imo. Probably in the opinion of most of their fans as well.
 
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#66
And we’re excellent in most defensive categories. Alabama is ranked 14th in the league against the run and hasn’t played anyone in the top 3rd of the league in rushing. If we take care of the ball, we’re going to be in this until the end.
Maybe…. I expect them to sell out on the run until we force them not to. If they allow Sampson to beat them without us forcing the safeties out of the box I’ll be surprised. If Nico gets going they’re screwed.
 
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#67
Maybe…. I expect them to sell out on the run until we force them not to. If they allow Sampson to beat them without us forcing the safeties out of the box I’ll be surprised. If Nico gets going they’re screwed.
Normally Heupel wants opposing defenses to load the box as it gives us a ton of free real estate to work with. They had about 5 or sometimes 6 guys in the box against Vandy and Vandy didn't have an issue running it either.
 
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Normally Heupel wants opposing defenses to load the box as it gives us a ton of free real estate to work with. They had about 5 or sometimes 6 guys in the box against Vandy and Vandy didn't have an issue running it either.
Carolina was also running it against them pretty well. Still bet they will try to make Nico beat them instead of Sampson
 
#69
#69
Carolina was also running it against them pretty well. Still bet they will try to make Nico beat them instead of Sampson
You look at the box score for the Vandy game and they pretty much whooped their D. Scar had 100 yards more of offense.

We are either going to break out or look like clowns tomorrow. This D can be exploited.
 

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