We need to change our Offensive Tempo

[VOLorNuttin]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

Wonder why we lead the nation in 3rd down defense? Puts the mojo on you argument.

 

[tampavolsfan]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

Nope. We need to change the tempo of finding a new OC.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Wonder why we lead the nation in 3rd down defense? Puts the mojo on you argument.

3rd down conversions didn't keep UGA from putting 35 on us, now did it? There goes your argument.

 

[keckjm]

3rd down conversions didn't keep UGA from putting 35 on us, now did it? There goes your argument.

Not really. Both of you bring up great points. Yes, we can't go 3 and out all the time, but without our defense yesterday we lose by 20+. Our problem isn't all play calling. Sure, there was some suspect calls yesterday, but our oline is the worst I've seen in my 24 years on this Earth. They are terrible. Simple facts are when you can't run the ball consistently you are screwed. Hurd is all we got at RB against great teams unless Scott brings something to the table. Our defense wore down yesterday due to depth and no home run threat at RB. That's why the read option isn't effective for us a lot of the time because we don't have a home run RB that teams have to worry about every play. UGA ran a read option yesterday and every time we had to collapse on Gurley and leave Mason open. That's what a home run RB gives you.

 

[estes]

I thought last year's OL was worse..considering the Sr's on that side......this OL is getting better....If not how did we hang 32 on GA?

 

[Cartervol]

Find a power running game and grind teams into the dirt. Tempo works if you're getting first downs. We gave Georgia a lot of chances to beat our brains in yesterday and the defense bowed up just about every time. You can't ask a defense to keep Gurley in check the whole game. Until the 4th quarter they did a great job of it. Two turnovers that we failed to get any points, also gave Georgia a gift touchdown on the fumble in the end zone. Either we're a lot better than most expected or Georgia is overrated everywhere but their running game.. A 12th ranked Georgia team with possibly the best back i've seen since Jamal, beat a Tennessee team with the starting QB playing 3 quarters and 20+ freshmen. Yep Georgia is still who most thought they were. Mark Richt should send Bajk a thank you card for going bonehead on a few occasions yesterday or Georgia would have 2 losses right now..

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Not really. Both of you bring up great points. Yes, we can't go 3 and out all the time, but without our defense yesterday we lose by 20+. Our problem isn't all play calling. Sure, there was some suspect calls yesterday, but our oline is the worst I've seen in my 24 years on this Earth. They are terrible. Simple facts are when you can't run the ball consistently you are screwed. Hurd is all we got at RB against great teams unless Scott brings something to the table. Our defense wore down yesterday due to depth and no home run threat at RB. That's why the read option isn't effective for us a lot of the time because we don't have a home run RB that teams have to worry about every play. UGA ran a read option yesterday and every time we had to collapse on Gurley and leave Mason open. That's what a home run RB gives you.

We don't have a home run threat at RB? Come again? The commentators were gushing about Gurley in the first half, when Jalen Hurd had more rushing yards. Go figure?

Hurd IS a homerun threat anytime he touches the ball. Kid ran a 4.37 electronic timed 40 in HS....so don't give me that BS. He's not getting the holes to run through that Gurley had. Comes back to the OL. But despite the horrible OL play, Hurd managed 120 rushing yds on the day. Against an SEC E contender, that's a pretty amazing stat.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

I thought last year's OL was worse..considering the Sr's on that side......this OL is getting better....If not how did we hang 32 on GA?

Because of Worley getting the ball out quicker, WR's making clutch catches and Jalen Hurd balling with few holes to run through. Bajakian had a few series where he looked like a genius and others where he looked clueless.

The delayed RB draws is where Hurd was able to overcome terrible OL play.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Wonder why we lead the nation in 3rd down defense? Puts the mojo on you argument.

They typically get a first down on second down...

 

[keckjm]

We don't have a home run threat at RB? Come again? The commentators were gushing about Gurley in the first half, when Jalen Hurd had more rushing yards. Go figure?

Hurd IS a homerun threat anytime he touches the ball. Kid ran a 4.37 electronic timed 40 in HS....so don't give me that BS. He's not getting the holes to run through that Gurley had. Comes back to the OL. But despite the horrible OL play, Hurd managed 120 rushing yds on the day. Against an SEC E contender, that's a pretty amazing stat.

You need to take your orange glasses off. Hurd is great. I even stated he's the only hope we have. However, he doesn't run a 4.37 forty. He's explosive and he has a different gear when he turns it on, but multiple times yesterday he got caught from behind. Hurd is a bruiser. He's going to be a great back for us, and I do mean great especially on the goal line, but he's not someone that's going to break 50 yard runs all the time. Forty times are skeptical around here. I'm sure Hurd runs in the 4.4s but he's not a speedster.

 

[DL916]

Offense had over 400 yards yesterday.

 

[tnvols106]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

I agree, but think the problem is in the play calling, we need to start calling more touchdown plays, I think this would help us win more games.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

Nope. We need to change the tempo of finding a new OC.

I've clearly used up all my Likes since the game. I'll try to hit you two when they get reset. Good points.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

You need to take your orange glasses off. Hurd is great. I even stated he's the only hope we have. However, he doesn't run a 4.37 forty. He's explosive and he has a different gear when he turns it on, but multiple times yesterday he got caught from behind. Hurd is a bruiser. He's going to be a great back for us, and I do mean great especially on the goal line, but he's not someone that's going to break 50 yard runs all the time. Forty times are skeptical around here. I'm sure Hurd runs in the 4.4s but he's not a speedster.

This comment right here, demonstrates conclusively that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

What are you, 13? I'm serious. 4.4 is fast by ALL accounts. That's blazing speed for RB's and when Gurley runs at the combine, you'll see no better than a 4.4.

4.5 is normal for a good RB. 4.4 is exceptional. In fact, The Titans took the first RB in the draft this year, in Bishop Sankey. He is considered to have breakaway speed, and his time was in the 4.4's. If that's fast in the NFL, it's damn sure fast in college.

I didn't see anyone run him down from behind, yesterday. Just that one defender take a good angle on him in the OU game. Uninformed people like yourself make a lot of that play. Problem is, while that defender was taking a good angle, Hurd was in the process of stiff arming the first DB.

Josh Malone is fast, and even he didn't catch Hurd from behind last year when his team played Hurd's, on ESPN. You simply don't have a clue, when you make such silly claims (we don't have a homerun RB)

 

[Other_Guy]

Nope. We need to change the tempo of finding a new OC.

Scoring 32 on GA with a bad OL a true freshman RB and helping a QB turn things around and this offense overacheiving... yeah our problem is with the OC.

 

[chuckb1448]

I agree, but think the problem is in the play calling, we need to start calling more touchdown plays, I think this would help us win more games.

I agree, I do not think you can be Balls to the Wall the entire game but yesterday late in the game Worley drove the team down the field rather well with some aggressive play calling. If we could try to do that a bit more instead of the conservative 3 yard pass to the flat or 12 second hand off.

 

[keckjm]

This comment right here, demonstrates conclusively that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

What are you, 13? I'm serious. 4.4 is fast by ALL accounts. That's blazing speed for RB's and when Gurley runs at the combine, you'll see no better than a 4.4.

4.5 is normal for a good RB. 4.4 is exceptional. In fact, The Titans took the first RB in the draft this year, in Bishop Sankey. He is considered to have breakaway speed, and his time was in the 4.4's. If that's fast in the NFL, it's damn sure fast in college.

I didn't see anyone run him down from behind, yesterday. Just that one defender take a good angle on him in the OU game. Uninformed people like yourself make a lot of that play. Problem is, while that defender was taking a good angle, Hurd was in the process of stiff arming the first DB.

Josh Malone is fast, and even he didn't catch Hurd from behind last year when his team played Hurd's, on ESPN. You simply don't have a clue, when you make such silly claims (we don't have a homerun RB)

Gurley is faster than Hurd. It's not even questionable. Your proclaiming Hurd runs a 4.37 forty and you think I'm the one who's a moron here? There's a lot of butt hurt in here when you tell the simple truth. Hurd is very, very good. He could go down as a top five back to ever play here. However, he's 6'3". He's not a scat back. He's job isn't to run it to the outside every play. He's going to set the way for another RB to come in and break huge runs. Hurd is elusive, but he's not Gurley elusive. I'm not even trying to argue with you anyways. My entire point wasn't what Hurd ran in the forty, but rather what other teams thought of him. Our read option is based upon Hurd's ability to make huge plays, which isn't fair to him because it's not his game. His game will be to pound the rock over and over again until finally the defense breaks. Once that happens, you bring in a smaller, more elusive back and let him try to break huge runs. Karama will be that guy for us next year. UGA does this every game and look what happened come 4th quarter. We need more then just Hurd to do it though. It's not about how fast you are anyways, but how fast you play. Hurd wants to hit people not run by them. In the second quarter he about plowed a guy on the last drive instead of going out of bounds. Man just wants to demolish people. We still need that smaller, more elusive back to help him out.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I disagree with this whole premise.

The days of grinding out 17-10 wins are essentially done and over. Even Saban realizes that.

The thing that will help this defense is not just depth but quality depth and more negative splash plays like TFL and sacks.

Offensively, things bog down on these long developing plays and read with no option plays. And they seem to have bogged down from the first couple of games in terms of simply getting the play in from the sidelines as well.

When Worley gets in a rhythm, he can be a very effective passer. When he is waiting 3-4 seconds for a play to develop, he is routinely getting obliterated due to a shoddy O line.

This up tempo offense can adversely affect the opposing defense much more than our defense if they can simply execute better.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Gurley is faster than Hurd. It's not even questionable. Your proclaiming Hurd runs a 4.37 forty and you think I'm the one who's a moron here? There's a lot of butt hurt in here when you tell the simple truth. Hurd is very, very good. He could go down as a top five back to ever play here. However, he's 6'3". He's not a scat back. He's job isn't to run it to the outside every play. He's going to set the way for another RB to come in and break huge runs. Hurd is elusive, but he's not Gurley elusive. I'm not even trying to argue with you anyways. My entire point wasn't what Hurd ran in the forty, but rather what other teams thought of him. Our read option is based upon Hurd's ability to make huge plays, which isn't fair to him because it's not his game. His game will be to pound the rock over and over again until finally the defense breaks. Once that happens, you bring in a smaller, more elusive back and let him try to break huge runs. Karama will be that guy for us next year. UGA does this every game and look what happened come 4th quarter. We need more then just Hurd to do it though. It's not about how fast you are anyways, but how fast you play. Hurd wants to hit people not run by them. In the second quarter he about plowed a guy on the last drive instead of going out of bounds. Man just wants to demolish people. We still need that smaller, more elusive back to help him out.

There is a huge difference in straight line speed and "football" speed as well. People are fixated on that 4.37 time.

Hurd is great, but he doesn't have that cut back ability and elusiveness of Gurley.

That hurdle play by Gurley nearly turned into the highlight of the year yesterday.

It's not knocking Hurd to say he doesn't have that kind of athleticism.

It's just taking off the Orange tinted glasses for a second.

 

[08Vol]

3rd down conversions didn't keep UGA from putting 35 on us, now did it? There goes your argument.

Defense gave up 28, not 35. Don't let the facts get in the way of your bashing tho

 

[golf437]

Nope. We need to change the tempo of finding a new OC.

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That would be silly.

 

[keckjm]

There is a huge difference in straight line speed and "football" speed as well. People are fixated on that 4.37 time.

Hurd is great, but he doesn't have that cut back ability and elusiveness of Gurley.

That hurdle play by Gurley nearly turned into the highlight of the year yesterday.

It's not knocking Hurd to say he doesn't have that kind of athleticism.

It's just taking off the Orange tinted glasses for a second.

Exactly! Hurd is amazing, and I love watching him play; however, he's not the home run guy people think he is. Home run guy doesn't just involve speed. We need that smaller, real elusive back to compliment Hurd's power. Sproles in the NFL isn't as fast as he seams, but his elusiveness and ability to change speeds instantly makes him a threat to go the house every time he touches it and he's not a young player anymore.

 

[tnvols72]

Nope. We need to change the tempo of finding a new OC.

OC still thinks he is in the Little east. Not impressed at all with this clown.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Exactly! Hurd is amazing, and I love watching him play; however, he's not the home run guy people think he is. Home run guy doesn't just involve speed. We need that smaller, real elusive back to compliment Hurd's power. Sproles in the NFL isn't as fast as he seams, but his elusiveness and ability to change speeds instantly makes him a threat to go the house every time he touches it and he's not a young player anymore.

I think he has big play ability but it's from breaking the first line of defense and picking up a head steam more than hitting the circle button three times for a big play.