We need to change our Offensive Tempo

[Monkey Wrench]

Wonder why we lead the nation in 3rd down defense? Puts the mojo on you argument.

well...they had 25 first downs and very near 500 yards of offense, sooooooooooooo maybe they didn't need many 3rd downs?

 

[66volfan]

Offence scored 32 and gave up 7. Defense held them to 28. That's 32-28. D didn't need any help putting us in a winning position. O did plenty enough to win while losing Worley for a quarter. One mistake was the difference and experience is all that will fix that. Why go changing a process that is working?

 

[keckjm]

There's a lot of butt hurt going on in this thread. You guys act like I'm saying Hurd blows. I've clearly stated that I think he has the potential to be one of the best RBs ever here. You guys need to chill out and take the vol glasses off. I don't care if Hurd goes to the combine tomorrow and runs a forty faster than Chris Johnson. He is not a Chris Johnson type back. He's a power back that has the ability to break off some big runs now and then, but he's not going to do it play after play. He's going to eat up 4-5 yards at a time, just like he is now. You homers are blind if you don't think Gurley plays faster than Hurd. It's not a love obsession with Gurley, it's just that he is more elusive than Hurd. That doesn't mean Hurd cant juke people. Hurd is going to pave the way for smaller, more elusive backs to come in a break huge gains. Will he break off some big runs, yea he will. What he's not going to do is step up to the line and be pitched outside every play. Our scheme and how we run Hurd does not put him into positions to make huge run after run. 3/4 the time he is running through the A or B gap. He also doesn't have a FB blocker in front of him like UGA and Bama backs do. It's not so much about whether I think Hurd has the ability to break long gains, it's about the fact that he isn't being used as a get outside and make a huge play RB. His game is to wear defenses down. He's huge. He's great in the redzone, and he's going to be a guy that goes for 100+ on 20+ carries almost every game, especially if we can get him a complimentary back to get him some rest throughout the game. Maybe stating Hurd isn't a home run RB was the wrong phrase I was trying to use, but I was simple saying he's not going to be used as outside the tackle RB most the time. No one doubts his athletic ability or if he has enough speed, but he's all about power running. He doesn't play as fast as a Gurley or Yeldon, but he's also 6'3". You guys need to relax and quit crawling down my a@@ acting like I said the kid blows. I simple just don't see him as someone that teams are looking at and saying oh no he may run a 60 yarder to the outside on us. Instead, I think teams are saying more along the lines of oh man this guys going to run my a&@ over between the tackle unless we gang tackle him. Hurd is all we have at the moment, and unless we get him some help real soon the kid is going to be worn to the ground by years end anyways. It's just my opinion, we all have one, that Hurd is going to pave the way for a Scott, Karama, etc to come in and break some huge plays off. Hurds going to beat the crap out of teams over and over, and then that change of running style to a smaller, more elusive RB is going to be deadly come 4th quarter. That's why I said we need a "home run" smaller back to go along with Hurds size and strength.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Gurley is faster than Hurd. It's not even questionable. Your proclaiming Hurd runs a 4.37 forty and you think I'm the one who's a moron here? There's a lot of butt hurt in here when you tell the simple truth. Hurd is very, very good. He could go down as a top five back to ever play here. However, he's 6'3". He's not a scat back. He's job isn't to run it to the outside every play. He's going to set the way for another RB to come in and break huge runs. Hurd is elusive, but he's not Gurley elusive. I'm not even trying to argue with you anyways. My entire point wasn't what Hurd ran in the forty, but rather what other teams thought of him. Our read option is based upon Hurd's ability to make huge plays, which isn't fair to him because it's not his game. His game will be to pound the rock over and over again until finally the defense breaks. Once that happens, you bring in a smaller, more elusive back and let him try to break huge runs. Karama will be that guy for us next year. UGA does this every game and look what happened come 4th quarter. We need more then just Hurd to do it though. It's not about how fast you are anyways, but how fast you play. Hurd wants to hit people not run by them. In the second quarter he about plowed a guy on the last drive instead of going out of bounds. Man just wants to demolish people. We still need that smaller, more elusive back to help him out.

I think you are borderline retarded. No offense to mentally challenged individuals.

 

[keckjm]

I think you are borderline retarded. No offense to mentally challenged individuals.

Nice input. I could go around calling people retarted all day too, and at the same time, like yourself, not state any reason towards my opinion as to why I feel they are retarted. Don't be a sheep. If you want to call me retatred atleast bring your opinion with it. Atleast everyone else here that's caling me stupid has an opinion. Don't be a follower just to tag along with the crowd because I stated an opinion three pages ago that blew the panties off everyone in this thread. It's unbelievable in today's world how bigoted one can act, yet inside they simple want to be accepted as part of the crowd because they can't formulate an opinion of their own. I don't think Hurd in our current running scheme is a guy that's going to break 30+ yarders all the time. He'll get his fair share of great runs, but IMO, his job is to pound the ball inside over and over again to wear defenses down. If I'm wrong, and I have been before as I am human, I gladly will allow all of you to tell me you told me so and I'll man up and tell you I was wrong and you were right. It's a win/win situation either way, because if I'm right we are going to have the best running game here since the J. Lewis days, and if I'm wrong, Hurd may go down as the best RB to ever play here. Either way, the VOLS are winning, and that's all I really care about.

 

[keckjm]

Ok I will bite. I really didn't read past the first two sentences because there is really no need. Since you have stated, matter of factory, that it is unquestionable that Gurley is faster than Hurd, I would like you to prove those two sentences.

Here you go. This is a website that takes numbers from all around the country and puts them in one site. It gives the fastest offical 40 and lowest offical forty for every player in the country who has NFL potiental.

Todd Gurley | Georgia, RB : 2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Jalen Hurd | Tennessee, RB : 2018 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

I'm going to restate this again before I get blasted for the 10th time, Gurley plays faster than Hurd. Doesn't make him any better than Hurd, he just plays at his top end speed more than Hurd does. Hurd has an extra gear he can turn on when he gets to the outside, and Gurley pretty much stays at a constant speed. Two totally different RBs, who both run in their own way very effectively. It's not just about straight line speed, but rather how fast you can play all the time. Sproles in the NFL isn't any faster than these two guys, but he's so small and elusive that he plays at his top end speed all the time. He cuts on a dime running full speed. That's usually the advantage of being very small.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Here you go. This is a website that takes numbers from all around the country and puts them in one site. It gives the fastest offical 40 and lowest offical forty for every player in the country who has NFL potiental.

Todd Gurley*|*Georgia,*RB*:*2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Jalen Hurd*|*Tennessee,*RB*:*2018 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

I'm going to restate this again before I get blasted for the 10th time, Gurley plays faster than Hurd. Doesn't make him any better than Hurd, he just plays at his top end speed more than Hurd does. Hurd has an extra gear he can turn on when he gets to the outside, and Gurley pretty much stays at a constant speed. Two totally different RBs, who both run in their own way very effectively. It's not just about straight line speed, but rather how fast you can play all the time. Sproles in the NFL isn't any faster than these two guys, but he's so small and elusive that he plays at his top end speed all the time. He cuts on a dime running full speed. That's usually the advantage of being very small.

One has been in a college S&C program for three years, and one has been in college S&C since January. One has been in the same offense for three years, and the other has been learning this offense since January. Of course Gurley is going to be more decisive in reading his blocks, but Jalen is not too far behind. He understands the position very well for a freshman. You are reaching in your analysis to cover your ass. The best way to cover your ass, is to stop making dumb comments.

 

[keckjm]

One has been in a college S&C program for three years, and one has been in college S&C since January. One has been in the same offense for three years, and the other has been learning this offense since January. Of course Gurley is going to be more decisive in reading his blocks, but Jalen is not too far behind. He understands the position very well for a freshman. You are reaching in your analysis to cover your ass. The best way to cover your ass, is to stop making dumb comments.

It's not just about reading holes man. Geez oh peat. Gurley plays faster. It is what it is. It's not the end all be all, but when I present you with facts and you still refuse to believe it then that's your issue. It's not reaching. Those 40 times are from high school for both players. Gurley plays faster in and out of his cuts. Gurley played faster as a freshman in and out of his cuts compared to Hurd. Hurd is still amazing for a freshman. I don't see the issue here. I'm not bashing Hurd. I'm comparing him to arguable the best RB in college since Petterson. I'd say Hurd will be just fine.

Usuing your logic, you are pretty much stating what I'm telling everyone. The argument was is Gurley or Hurd faster. Gurley is faster. My argument was that it's not just about top end speed but speed in and out of your cuts. Gurley is faster there as well. The big reason for this is Gurley has a lower center of gravity compared to Hurd. That's why CBJ preached to Hurd all offseason to get low, which he does quite well for a 6'3" RB. You stated that Gurley has better ball carrier vision and understands the system better because he's a junior, which in turn makes him...faster. Hurd sees the field just fine, you also pointed this out, but Gurley's best attribute is his ball carrier vision where Hurd's is his strength. So not only is Gurley faster, he also sees the field better due to him being more experienced. However, Gurley has some of the best ball carrier awarness I've ever seen, so if Hurd develops half the ball carrier awarness Gurley has we are set for the next 3 years.

I would classify Hurd as an explosive runner, where I'd say Gurley is a dynamic runner. Hurd hits holes and explodes where Gurley cuts at top speed and is a little more elusive. Hurd likes contact. The guy was trash talking a UGA player in the middle of the game telling him to come for him. Id rather Hurd run over people than be dynamic and all about long runs. Hurd is going to get bigger too. He's going to be a monster by his junior year.

 

[butchna]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do, until we've had the chance to put a few 1st downs together. Basically ramp it up, the further we get down the field. This would mitigate the glaring issue with most up-tempo offenses.

You go too fast and those 3-and-outs make the tempo work against your defense, instead of your opponent's. Start off checking with the sideline, and milk the clock down to 2-5 seconds.

Where Coach Jake dropped the ball was when Swann went out for a series...their best DB went out and we didn't attack? Can't defend that.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

One has been in a college S&C program for three years, and one has been in college S&C since January. One has been in the same offense for three years, and the other has been learning this offense since January. Of course Gurley is going to be more decisive in reading his blocks, but Jalen is not too far behind. He understands the position very well for a freshman. You are reaching in your analysis to cover your ass. The best way to cover your ass, is to stop making dumb comments.

Excellent post. :good!:

 

[keckjm]

Excellent post. :good!:

You guys are cute. You asked for proof and I supplied it from a neutral, nonbiased site. I'd ingnore it too, and continue to call me and idiot for my opinion. :good!:
I'm sorry you guys are so dogmatic that you fail to listen to anything anyone else says that doesn't completely agree with your stance. What's even worse is we are arguing over arguable the best RB since J. Lewis here.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You guys are cute. You asked for proof and I supplied it from a neutral, nonbiased site. I'd ingnore it too, and continue to call me and idiot for my opinion. :good!:
I'm sorry you guys are so dogmatic that you fail to listen to anything anyone else says that doesn't completely agree with your stance. What's even worse is we are arguing over arguable the best RB since J. Lewis here.

Great post :birgits_giggle:.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Those 3 and outs against OU and UGA wore our defense down, when they otherwise were pretty stout. You could see it. When our offense struggled, so did the defense, for the most part.

With that said, I was just thinking at perhaps CBJ and Bajakian should start the tempo much slower than they normally do,

You do know that the tempo is what gives us an advantage on opposing defenses? They do not get a chance to substitute like the offense does and we create mismatches this way. Slowing it down, we may not get down the field at all.