Wealth Stratification

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therealUT said:
In and of itself, is wealth stratification an inherently bad thing?

If the most impoverished individuals in America have more real wealth and access to food, shelter, and hygiene than they did in the past, is it bad that they are now further removed from the wealthiest individuals in America than at any previous point in history?

I am looking forward to seeing the arguments of the inherent evils of wealth stratification...
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If you pull in $50K a year you are part of the wealthiest 1% of the world. If you bring in $10K you are part of the richest 13% of the world. Nobody in America is "poor". One of my favorite quotes:

There is a dark side to the human character. After people have enough to eat and a roof over their heads, they care more about their relative wealth than their absolute wealth. - Bonner & Wiggin
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#77
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BigPapaVol said:
Nobody in this world is poorer BECAUSE someone else is wealthier. That's pure stupidity.
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This is a little nugget worth framing.

This is why I have absolutely no trouble taking you behind the woodshed so oft.

I will mention just one little place - Potosi - and I will give you the opportunity to retract your ridiculous anti-history.
 
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utgibbs said:
This is a little nugget worth framing.

This is why I have absolutely no trouble taking you behind the woodshed so oft.

I will mention just one little place - Potosi - and I will give you the opportunity to retract your ridiculous anti-history.
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Frame that MFer and take it to the woodshed with you. Your zero sum absurdity misses the mark, by miles.

Get something, anything, right and I'll begin to worry about your revisionist history or I'll begin to look into the greatness that is Cuba.
 
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#79
For there to be a middle class and upper middle class there has to be a poor class.

The problem many people do not seem to understand is that the cost of labor is built into the commodity being sold. When the cost of labor (mininum wage or close to minimum wage) goes up the price of the goods goes up. This does not affect the purchasing power of the ultra-wealthy but it does impact the purchasing power of the middle class and upper middle class. Mix this with increased taxes on the middle class and upper middle class and what you have is a downward push on the middle and upper middle class and an end game where only two classes exist--lower income and ultra high income. With the increase in the price of goods, the poor class is also right back where it was % wise in its purchasing power.
 
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#81
I still want to know how Peyton playing football will lead to equivalency and what happens to Peyton if it doesn't.
 
#82
#82
It is at least mildly entertaining to watch this country choke on its own dick. Will the people in power realize it in time to fix it? Doubtful. Argue over bull**** and accomplish nothing but lining the pockets of the powerful. That is our fate in this era. Apparently.
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VOLatile said:
Have you outsourced your telemarketers to India yet?
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Not india. Too many issues.

Bacolod maybe.

I answer you directly because while you're a leftist you come on here with no agenda and are straight forward.

I am honestly waiting until 2012 to make the decision. Everything is in place if I want to move though. We have found the site we would move into. The place is pre-wired with data lines and I already have a staffing company on hold.

I do not want to pull the plug and move but the business is heavy on labor cost. If there is not a more friendly business environment by the first quarter of 2013I am out.
 
#84
#84
Well, you've had a business friendly house for a year and a half now. Talked to your representative to see what they're doing for you?
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milohimself said:
Well, you've had a business friendly house for a year and a half now. Talked to your representative to see what they're doing for you?
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What can they do? They're only good for gridlock purposes.
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volinbham said:
I still want to know how Peyton playing football will lead to equivalency and what happens to Peyton if it doesn't.
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Peyton playing football doesn't lead to "equivalency." In fact, I was making the opposite point. We would want Peyton to play football because he is so exceptional at it. We want to "bestow honors" upon him. Just like, as a society, we bestow honors upon the institution of marriage with the obvious asterisk.

HOWEVER, in a just society (this is based on Rawls) the rewards Peyton receives for football cannot come at the expense of the lowest in society. In other words, those rewards must all be at the service of the least among us.

That has many mechanisms which could be implemented in our own historic time. We need not dwell on those mechanisms here.

This leads to substantive equality or another way of saying it would be most everybody would have a fighting shot to compete with Peyton for those honors. He would still win, which is what we want - the best receiving those honors, but everyone having a shot at the title.
 
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A just society is at the heart of much utopian stupidity. Substantive equity is close behind. Academic dillhole driven equality is a pipe dream, thank God.
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milohimself said:
Well, you've had a business friendly house for a year and a half now. Talked to your representative to see what they're doing for you?
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You are way, way, way too smart for that comment.

Kinda need the senate to pass something too and then the prez not veto it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
A just society is at the heart of much utopian stupidity. Substantive equity is close behind. Academic dillhole driven equality is a pipe dream, thank God.
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So, when I come over to your place and take all your stuff, you can always moan for your utopia and eat dirt.

And don't get any funny ideas. Gun control for me is hitting the target every time. You don't stand a chance.

Make you pleas for utopia and justice, homie, I'm coming for Casa de BPV! With your blessing, evidently.

The consolations of philosophy are all you got now, BPV!
 
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#93
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utgibbs said:
So, when I come over to your place and take all your stuff, you can always moan for your utopia and eat dirt.

And don't get any funny ideas. Gun control for me is hitting the target every time. You don't stand a chance.

Make you pleas for utopia and justice, homie, I'm coming for Casa de BPV! With your blessing, evidently.

The consolations of philosophy are all you got now, BPV!
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I'm comfortable in a Darwinian world. Seems to me you're the one constantly arguing that the masses need someone else to look after them.
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#94
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utgibbs said:
He's actually better off on Day Y....

As is society, actually. Far better off on Day Y than Day Z.
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I will take that answer. He was better off and there was increased stratification; therefore, the premise that stratification is inherently wrong/bad/evil has been defeated.

Thank you, now run along.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm comfortable in a Darwinian world. Seems to me you're the one constantly arguing that the masses need someone else to look after them.
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Then stop moaning already! The world is as it is. Stop whinging there is nothing for you to do. You have the consolations of philosophy.

By the way, to complete your epic wrongness in this thread - I'm the one who would like to see the masses have authentic control of their own destinies. You are the one who thinks they need looking after a la Vladamir Illich Ulyanov by the vanguard of the intellectual, managerial class.
 
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utgibbs said:
Then stop moaning already! The world is as it is. Stop whinging there is nothing for you to do. You have the consolations of philosophy.

By the way, to complete your epic wrongness in this thread - I'm the one who would like to see the masses have authentic control of their own destinies. You are the one who thinks they need looking after a la Vladamir Illich Ulyanov by the vanguard of the intellectual, managerial class.
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but you're the one constantly making excuses for murderous, communist thugs like Che and Castro
 
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therealUT said:
I will take that answer. He was better off and there was increased stratification; therefore, the premise that stratification is inherently wrong/bad/evil has been defeated.

Thank you, now run along.
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Which was the answer I gave you long ago, in a lot of detail, once you backtracked from your OP.

Thanks for proving me right as rain (again). :hi:
 
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MG1968 said:
but you're the one constantly making excuses for murderous, communist thugs like Che and Castro
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It seems to me, Castro could have executed - with absolute impunity - many provocateurs, terrorists, and the like Cuba has endured. :cough, cough: Can we get a list of the murdered?

Shall we ask Nelson Mandela what he thinks of your appraisal?
 
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utgibbs said:
Which was the answer I gave you long ago, in a lot of detail, once you backtracked from your OP.

Thanks for proving me right as rain (again). :hi:
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utgibbs said:
Of course it is a huge problem, and the polarization is absolute stark and indefensible in global terms.
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You answer that A was better off on Day Y than on Day W means, strictly speaking, that the premise that stratification is wrong/bad/evil has been defeated by you.

Your inconsistency and lack of any intellectual standing is both frustrating and astounding at the same time. You are easily one of the dumbest persons I have ever encountered.
 
#100
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utgibbs said:
It seems to me, Castro could have executed - with absolute impunity - many provocateurs, terrorists, and the like Cuba has endured. :cough, cough: Can we get a list of the murdered?

Shall we ask Nelson Mandela what he thinks of your appraisal?
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I don't give a damn what Mandela thinks of Castro. Mandela was no saint himself and Winnie Mandela was a real winner.
 
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