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More likely in 15 years we'll be saying "who?"

I'm for fiscal discipline but it doesn't have to be done all at once in bill.

There are plenty of budget bills coming - get hard arse there.
 
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#3
You will remember us. We are about to destroy the GOP and built a brand new party from its ashes like a phoenix.

And we are getting hard arse now because tomorrow isn't good enough at this point.
 
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NEOCON said:
You will remember us. We are about to destroy the GOP and built a brand new party from its ashes like a phoenix.

And we are getting hard arse now because tomorrow isn't good enough at this point.
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The odds of that happening are quite small. Not sure about the TP's future, but I'm glad they're taking a stand and not caving. There's definitely more room for cuts imo so they may force the Dems and Pubs to sharpen their pencils more than they had planned.
 
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We have pushed this beyond the eleventh hour.

Anyone who doesn't realize how much JB not having the votes in the house means doesn't get it.

We are willing to let a default happen.

You're playing chicken with the fringe now.
 
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JB is about to destroy the TP; as I stated in the other thread, you do not play hardball with the Speaker.
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NEOCON said:
We have pushed this beyond the eleventh hour.

Anyone who doesn't realize how much JB not having the votes in the house means doesn't get it.

We are willing to let a default happen.

You're playing chicken with the fringe now.
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if you don't slow down, you're going to start using phrases like "behind the woodshed", "real world outside your back door", and "game, set, match"

seriously, dude, you're dangerously close to becoming a gibbsian troll.
 
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Im still trying to figure out what is on the table that would ever make it to the desk of the POTUS. Past no real cuts and the debt ceiling being extended past his next election which seems to be the motive from the Senate and WH.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im still trying to figure out what is on the table that would ever make it to the desk of the POTUS. Past no real cuts and the debt ceiling being extended past his next election which seems to be the motive from the Senate and WH.
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Politics will force Obama to sign anything that actually makes it to his desk.
 
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NEOCON said:
You will remember us. We are about to destroy the GOP and built a brand new party from its ashes like a phoenix.

And we are getting hard arse now because tomorrow isn't good enough at this point.
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The GOP destroyed themselves, they didn't need anyone to do that for them
 
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therealUT said:
Politics will force Obama to sign anything that actually makes it to his desk.
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Reid is Obama's left tackle at this point. I think he's posturing on bills that have passed or are on the table in the house and not even being discussed or voted on in the senate. I think that was a plot to get the current bill that does little with the debt.

In which I agree they would pass it at this point. The POTUS and the senate have as much to do with the delay as the GOP does with the TPers.
 
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volinbham said:
More likely in 15 years we'll be saying "who?"

I'm for fiscal discipline but it doesn't have to be done all at once in bill.

There are plenty of budget bills coming - get hard arse there.
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The problem here is that you are buying the scam. "Cuts" will ALWAYS come later unless someone screams "Stop the madness".

But these aren't even cuts. The baseline budgeting method had already built in about $9 trillion in spending increases over the next 10 years. The most "draconian" of all the current proposals would STILL have the federal gov't growing at a rate greater than inflation.
 
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Congrats Tea Party, Businesses now cant borrow because nobody knows what rates will be.

And Good luck trying to run without Republican $$ in the next election
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
The odds of that happening are quite small. Not sure about the TP's future, but I'm glad they're taking a stand and not caving. There's definitely more room for cuts imo so they may force the Dems and Pubs to sharpen their pencils more than they had planned.
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The TP's future depends on the determination of the members and devotion to the ideal of limited gov't. It is not your typical political movement.

The TP will shape and purge the GOP or else split it.

FTR, the TP does not represent the "fringe" when it comes to fiscal issues. It is VERY mainstream. When asked questions about the size of gov't, taxes, social programs, etc.... a clear majority agree with the positions of the TP.

A point often alluded to here has merit. The TP should resist the temptation of lumping social issue positions in with this fight. Let those things be fought seperately on their own merits.
 
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I can jump aboard the TP bandwagon as long as it doesn't become infested with social conservatives infatuated with what goes on peoples' bedrooms.

may be too late for that though and I'll have to content myself with being a Boortz libertarian
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Congrats Tea Party, Businesses now cant borrow because nobody knows what rates will be.

And Good luck trying to run without Republican $$ in the next election
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Wait. You think it would have been better to continue down the course we were on unabated? You think it would have been better if no one had the will to stand up to Obama to prevent him from doubling the national debt 2 or 3 more times during his presidency?

Are you actually blaming those who are demanding that we STOP spending money we don't have for the fact that we have a problem?

Obama refuses to present a plan. The only plan presented by any Dem was Reid's and it was laughed off the floor of the Senate.

Methinks you are blaming the horse for waking you up while the fox was stealing your chickens.
 
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MG1968 said:
I can jump aboard the TP bandwagon as long as it doesn't become infested with social conservatives infatuated with what goes on peoples' bedrooms.

may be too late for that though and I'll have to content myself with being a Boortz libertarian
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You are buying a lie.

If the TP as a movement is actively or aggressively promoting a social agenda... I don't think I have seen it. Their main thrust has remained fiscal policy. Their enemies have spent alot of time and effort trying to marginalize them by any means necessary... honest or dishonest. If you buy it then you are helping no one but those who want bigger gov't and want to split their opposition.
 
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TP will get blamed if we default. Im sorry but defaulting is not "Very Mainstream". We are a growing country, we need to raise the debt limit. If we default, you could wake up and your money market fund could be down 30%

If we default, the TP is on their own
 
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