Well off, well educated younger Americans getting caught up in Chinese "lie flat" movement

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NEO said:
Denison University in OH was huge on shifting perspective.

My finance prof at OSU was a huge fan of Cuba and literally said capitalism was evil.

I honestly think you might be too close to the scenario or not seeing it but kids don’t suddenly develops geo political leanings at 18 from nowhere and it’s not from other kids. It takes one cool teacher with a Che Guevara shirt who talks about how no one should starve and you are off to the races.

Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.

You also may be at a Bible college which is opposite spectrum like Bob Jones….which I find just as loony.
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This reminded me of my stats professor at UT. He was actually from Cuba and hated Castro so much. It wouldn't take anything to trigger him and he'd start going on a Spainglish rant about Castro before calming himself down for fear of a heart attack.
 
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Volaholic320 said:
You obviously dont know anything about Bob Jones.
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I was once told by a Bob Jones professor interracial dating was a sin.

His words not mine.

A went to a school that was tied to BOB Jones. Boys swim in one ocean and girls on another beach while on a trip. Earrings were evil for boys and your hair couldn’t touch your ears. Sorry but I lived it and it was very legalistic.

It almost destroyed my relationship with God and did for a short while.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
As a faculty member at UT, I have a policy of never talking politics with students, and most of my colleagues seem to have a similar approach. While there are certain fields where it is necessary to delve into political views and I'm sure there are faculty who go too far in expressing opinions, it amazes me that every mention of liberal youngsters is met with the accusations of university indoctrination.
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Sex week.
 
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Person 1: "You're a leftist indoctrinator."
Person 2: "No, I'm not."
Person 1: "Yes. A majority of college professors are."
Person 2: "Hey, I'd love to have you come by my class any time you'd like to see for yourself. Just pop in. You won't be a bother at all."
Person 1: "No."

And this is how the back half of this thread, and pretty much any thread involving academia, feels.
 
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AshG said:
Person 1: "You're a leftist indoctrinator."
Person 2: "No, I'm not."
Person 1: "Yes. A majority of college professors are."
Person 2: "Hey, I'd love to have you come by my class any time you'd like to see for yourself. Just pop in. You won't be a bother at all."
Person 1: "No."

And this is how the back half of this thread, and pretty much any thread involving academia, feels.
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I am thrilled to have never started/had a conversation like this with someone in academia.
 
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AshG said:
Person 1: "You're a leftist indoctrinator."
Person 2: "No, I'm not."
Person 1: "Yes. A majority of college professors are."
Person 2: "Hey, I'd love to have you come by my class any time you'd like to see for yourself. Just pop in. You won't be a bother at all."
Person 1: "No."

And this is how the back half of this thread, and pretty much any thread involving academia, feels.
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I will take you up in that. Next time you are in the Columbus area give me a warning and I will meet you at Brews in Granville. We will have lunch and then go pretend we are students and sit in a few classes. You can wear a Trump shirt and I will will a Communism rocks shirt and let’s see how the day goes.
 
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NEO said:
I will take you up in that. Next time you are in the Columbus area give me a warning and I will meet you at Brews in Granville. We will have lunch and then go pretend we are students and sit in a few classes. You can wear a Trump shirt and I will will a Communism rocks shirt and let’s see how the day goes.
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That actually sounds like a hell of a good time.
 
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AshG said:
I'm in a university's College of Liberal Arts, more specifically a School of Music. We deal in chord progressions and pitch justification and music teacher preparation. I have no problem admitting I'm insulated from most of the rest of whatever institution I'm at.

If someone finds a way to make playing in or out of tune a political issue, I'm out. I'll find some fence posts to drive somewhere.
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Maybe nascent but...

University of Oxford considers reforms to 'too colonial' music curriculum | Daily Mail Online
 
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NEO said:
Sex week.
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Do conservatives not have sex? Haha! Well, maybe we can come up with the conservative alternative to sex week to balance things out, although I have no idea what that would be. Then again, I also have no idea what sex week entails.
 
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AshG said:
Yeah, I'm familiar with that discussion. It's actually one college music has been having for decades, but but necessarily using that language. I'm happy with the compromises most places I've been have done, with students taking Tonal Theory and Ethnomusicology to balance things out.
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Artist like Jay Z and Kayne West have made a career on bridging these two together.

Even the song Sinner Man is a cross over in my opinion.

Both have much value and both kinds are beautiful.

Now mumble rap…..holy crap that needs to go away.
 
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landscapingvol said:
It is extremely widespread in history, economics, and government. I work with several myself
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Yeah, I'm over in the sciences so I don't see that crowd to much and nothing I teach is much of a lightning rod. One thing I appreciate is that I get to grade students based on their knowledge of concepts and facts. I don't envy those who have to evaluate based on ideas and thoughts, which are inherently subjective.
 
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NEO said:
I will take you up in that. Next time you are in the Columbus area give me a warning and I will meet you at Brews in Granville. We will have lunch and then go pretend we are students and sit in a few classes. You can wear a Trump shirt and I will will a Communism rocks shirt and let’s see how the day goes.
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@AshG Probably get kicked out of class, punched in the face, harassed, etc. You'll leave with a nice purple haired, feminist to bring home to mom though.
 
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AshG said:
Maybe it's that I'm in the wrong places at the wrong times, but I can't find these hardcore left professor types. I didn't encounter any through my Masters or PhD, and I haven't been around them as a faculty member either.

Where I am seeing kids getting these ideas is from each other. From student-founded, student-led groups. Groups we faculty are too busy to do anything for other than sign the annual Faculty Advisor report so they can exist on campus.

No teacher ever changed my philosophy on non-subject material. It was all time with other students. And that's what my students tell me now.

If you want to stop indoctrination, keep the students as far away from each other as possible.
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You probably got a real degree from a real Professor. It’s the joke humanity degrees that tend to have these types of instructors
 
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I agree with Ash - most of the push comes from students. Some studies back that up. The other big push comes from administration/staff - we've massively grown the non-teaching organization at our school and it definitely leans a particular direction. Not that there aren't some faculty that push their agenda but they are a minor cause.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree with Ash - most of the push comes from students. Some studies back that up. The other big push comes from administration/staff - we've massively grown the non-teaching organization at our school and it definitely leans a particular direction. Not that there aren't some faculty that push their agenda but they are a minor cause.
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We just want administration to stop tacking on extra initiatives and programs that never work and let us teach. It's not too much to ask, is it?
 
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NEO said:
Denison University in OH was huge on shifting perspective.

My finance prof at OSU was a huge fan of Cuba and literally said capitalism was evil.

I honestly think you might be too close to the scenario or not seeing it but kids don’t suddenly develops geo political leanings at 18 from nowhere and it’s not from other kids. It takes one cool teacher with a Che Guevara shirt who talks about how no one should starve and you are off to the races.

Also not all sectors of college are this way. If you are not in the humanities realm you may not be encountering it nearly as much.

You also may be at a Bible college which is opposite spectrum like Bob Jones….which I find just as loony.
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Neo..you mentioning Denison led me to contacting a friend from high school who played baseball there. Hadn't talked in 20 years and picked up a convo like it was yesterday. Thanks!
 
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tntar heel said:
Neo..you mentioning Denison led me to contacting a friend from high school who played baseball there. Hadn't talked in 20 years and picked up a convo like it was yesterday. Thanks!
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You ever been sledding on the hill there?

If you haven’t and you ever have a chance it’s worth a drive. Stay at the buxton inn with your wife if you are married and make it a weekend. You will love it.
 
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NEO said:
You ever been sledding on the hill there?

If you haven’t and you ever have a chance it’s worth a drive. Stay at the buxton inn with your wife if you are married and make it a weekend. You will love it.
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haha. Yes but that was pre=married life. i seem to only go back to Ohio to take care of family issues and that's outside Toledo. Pick up 40 pounds of kielbasa and some chili sauce from Packo;'s. Last time up didn't even make it to Cedar Point
 
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AshG said:
‘Lie Flat’ If You Want, But Be Ready to Pay the Price

In China, workers are protesting twelve hour work days six days a week by walking away from their jobs for the sake of their health and sanity. Chinese courts have ruled such punishing hours illegal, but businesses are being slow to catch up. Workers go home to literally "lie flat" in sheer exhaustion, sometimes too tired to even eat.

Having never met a cause thwy couldn't turn into an Instagram hashtag, young American workers are walking away from their jobs in solidarity. Only it's not the fast food crew or construction workers, it's trust funded middle manager desk jockeys with stable pay and forty hour weeks.

I guess those of us who bust our asses to keep the kids fed are going to have some opportunities to move up to some empty manager positions.
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This is a weird editorial but it sounds like it’s I-bankers and lawyers, who most certainly do not work 40-hour weeks - probably double that and at times closer to 100
 
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