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GVF said:
The Great Commission didn't specify gender, nor did it place a limit on how many one should witness to at a given time. And when it begins the verse Go Into...it is read as YOU Go Into because it is addressed to whoever is reading.

And what constitutes a church service anyway. The Church at Corinth was not a central church in a central location. Or any of hte rest of them. So how did we come up with these church buildings to put restrictions and permissions on?

When God said not to forsake the assembly, he wasn't talking about the 2000 member building down the street, or the 50 member building out in the country. THey didn't have that. He was speaking to all the groups meeting in various homes and locations throught a city or area that may have collectively been the church at "Corinth."
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The Amish fully agree with this.
 
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BigO95 said:
Study the qualifications of the two offices
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Qualifications created by whom? People who had interpreted Scripture in a way that was familiar to them, that reinforced patterns they were already comfy with?

Jesus was a revolutionary, you know, someone who deliberately violated customs of conduct, because he saw how they excluded those not in power, contrary to God’s love for all creatures. So many folks gloss over that, it seems.
 
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VolNExile said:
Qualifications created by whom? People who had interpreted Scripture in a way that was familiar to them, that reinforced patterns they were already comfy with?

Jesus was a revolutionary, you know, someone who deliberately violated customs of conduct, because he saw how they excluded those not in power, contrary to God’s love for all creatures. So many folks gloss over that, it seems.
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You have a penis. It might be tiny and barely work but by God, you have one. You can lead and are superior.

You do not have a penis. You need to sit silently and make sammiches.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
means nothing and doesn't answer the question. So women can't qualify? They aren't smart enough? Aren't effective teachers?
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I didn't that they weren't smart enough nor did I say that they couldn't be effective. Being qualified on the other hand goes against the plain teaching of the Bible.
1st Timothy 3:1¶This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,

Notice the pronouns..... The bishop is the pastor or preacher.
 
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GVF said:
I would agree scripturally that a woman shouldn't serve as an elder or deacon (it is quite specific for those two), but beyond that I have grown into a more lax stance on participation and contribution. Beyoned those two "offices" most everything else is instituted by man and culture as far as positions in a church. I didn't grow up in that so maybe still a comfort level in what i'm used to, but have expanded my study on what is "biblical."
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That's the two offices of the church, Bishop (pastor) and Deacon. The bible is plain about the qualifications of both. Very detailed about the qualifications in fact.
And the scriptures I quoted at the start of the conversation takes care of the women teaching men. It's not my rules, I am not the author. If we are to do it God's way we should do it by God's regulations.
 
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GVF said:
The Great Commission didn't specify gender, nor did it place a limit on how many one should witness to at a given time. And when it begins the verse Go Into...it is read as YOU Go Into because it is addressed to whoever is reading.

And what constitutes a church service anyway. The Church at Corinth was not a central church in a central location. Or any of hte rest of them. So how did we come up with these church buildings to put restrictions and permissions on?

When God said not to forsake the assembly, he wasn't talking about the 2000 member building down the street, or the 50 member building out in the country. THey didn't have that. He was speaking to all the groups meeting in various homes and locations throught a city or area that may have collectively been the church at "Corinth."
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He was talking about the local assembly of believers.... The meeting house is irrelevant. The church house isn't the church, the people are.
 
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VolNExile said:
Qualifications created by whom? People who had interpreted Scripture in a way that was familiar to them, that reinforced patterns they were already comfy with?

Jesus was a revolutionary, you know, someone who deliberately violated customs of conduct, because he saw how they excluded those not in power, contrary to God’s love for all creatures. So many folks gloss over that, it seems.
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The qualifications are written in God's word. 1st Timothy and Titus. You may look them up yourself.
 
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BigO95 said:
I didn't that they weren't smart enough nor did I say that they couldn't be effective. Being qualified on the other hand goes against the plain teaching of the Bible.
1st Timothy 3:1¶This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,

Notice the pronouns..... The bishop is the pastor or preacher.
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Once again, doesn't make your point.
 
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BigO95 said:
The qualifications are written in God's word. 1st Timothy and Titus. You may look them up yourself.
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Yes, thanks, I'm very familiar with them. I'm also familiar with the statements by Jesus regarding those who love to pray loudly in public, so that all will admire them, and the actions of Jesus sharing food and hospitality on an equal basis with tax collectors and and lepers and women, and the parable of the good Samaritan, where the mugging victim was passed by and ignored by a priest and by a temple administrator (<- this is irony! we're supposed to pick up on this!), but helped by a pariah in the eyes of Hebrew/ Jewish society (sorry, I've forgotten when one became the other), another traveler along the road who was from Samaria.

You fixate on laws, and rules, and the fear of hell, thinking that if you dot your i's and cross your t's perfectly every time you'll go to heaven, and you don't look at God's all-encompassing love for all creatures, including all humans, and all of creation, a love which overrides all else. And that's the model that we created beings ("in His image") are to follow, not your sweat-soaked little checklist of thou shalt's and thou shalt not's.
 
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