What a JOKE!!

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I am a Stewart fan so my openion is probably considered bias, but like Jarrett said, if you can't pass down there on the first 187 laps why should you be able to do it on the last one. If this "rumor"(that anything goes when you can see the checkers) was going around the garage before the race why didn't the drivers have enough common sense to ask NASCAR officials about it. I guess as the old saying goes "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". Most of the veteran drivers Gordon, Burton, Waltrip...... have been quoted as agreeing with NASCAR's decision. Even most of the people covering have leaned towrds NASCAR. It's the everday fan that dosen't fully understand the rule along with NASCARs inconsistancy that has made this such a "controversy".
 
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jhen713 said:
I am a Stewart fan so my openion is probably considered bias, but like Jarrett said, if you can't pass down there on the first 187 laps why should you be able to do it on the last one. If this "rumor"(that anything goes when you can see the checkers) was going around the garage before the race why didn't the drivers have enough common sense to ask NASCAR officials about it. I guess as the old saying goes "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". Most of the veteran drivers Gordon, Burton, Waltrip...... have been quoted as agreeing with NASCAR's decision. Even most of the people covering have leaned towrds NASCAR. It's the everday fan that dosen't fully understand the rule along with NASCARs inconsistancy that has made this such a "controversy".
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What would Gordon, Burton, Waltrip etc have said if they were in Smith's spot? I just wished it would have been Robby Gordon.....now that would have been entertaining!
 
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jhen713 said:
I am a Stewart fan so my openion is probably considered bias, but like Jarrett said, if you can't pass down there on the first 187 laps why should you be able to do it on the last one. If this "rumor"(that anything goes when you can see the checkers) was going around the garage before the race why didn't the drivers have enough common sense to ask NASCAR officials about it. I guess as the old saying goes "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". Most of the veteran drivers Gordon, Burton, Waltrip...... have been quoted as agreeing with NASCAR's decision. Even most of the people covering have leaned towrds NASCAR. It's the everday fan that dosen't fully understand the rule along with NASCARs inconsistancy that has made this such a "controversy".
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There is that annoying thing called past history, and at least twice a pass has been made below the yellow line for a win. I agree with cd12 as to what would the veteran drivers say if they were in Smith's position. They tend to speak the company line at times.

But now I agree with Dale Jarret in that if it is illegal, it should be illegal for all laps. It is tinkering with the rules gray areas that lead to controversies like this. Of course having the gray areas is a trademark of NASCAR where "The Show" is more important than fair rules and the application of them.
 
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It's kinda like the NFL saying that the offensive line can hold if it's in the last two minutes of the game and you are trying to win the game.

Find some rules and stick to them.
 
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volinbham said:
It's kinda like the NFL saying that the offensive line can hold if it's in the last two minutes of the game and you are trying to win the game.

Find some rules and stick to them.
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but only occasionally will we let you get away with holding. if it's the Patriots, we'll allow it. but if it's the Bengals, we'll call holding.

oh, and while NASCAR is finding the rules and sticking to them, how about they put some on paper and let the public see them.
 
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I thought Jimmie Johnson specifically asked them if you could pass low on the last lap and Jim Hunter told him yes. If this is indeed true Regan Smith was your winner.
 
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No doubt in my mind that Regan Smith won that race. But like somebody pointed out in a previous post,all that matters in today's NASCAR is money. Home Depot pays NASCAR big bucks and so does Coca Cola,which also sponsors Stewart. NASCAR has their chosen favorites and Stewart is definitely one of them. I liked Smith's comment that perhaps then he should have wrecked Stewart to give NASCAR the finish they wanted. The least NASCAR could have done is give Smith a second place finish instead of 18th. I am fed up with NASCAR's blatant favoritism.
 
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cd12 said:
What would Gordon, Burton, Waltrip etc have said if they were in Smith's spot? I just wished it would have been Robby Gordon.....now that would have been entertaining!
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They would have either went to the outside or they would have wrecked him. They wouldn't have been stupid enough to run under the yellow line to try to pass. Even if Stewart forced him down there and NASCAR penalized him they would have still penalized the 01 so he would not have won anyway. He was headed below the yellow anyway before Smoke cut him off.
 
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Yes, Stewart was blocking, but Regen Smith had his mind made up that he was going there already. Stewart never touched the 01. Regen Smith just didn't have the balls to hold his line and now he wants to cry about it. Like I said before even if NASCAR penalized Stewart for "forcing" the 01 below the yellow line BOTH cars would have been penalized and Menard would have won. Weather you are forced down there or not if you andvance your position and do not give it back you are penalized.
 
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jhen713 said:
Yes, Stewart was blocking, but Regen Smith had his mind made up that he was going there already. Stewart never touched the 01. Regen Smith just didn't have the balls to hold his line and now he wants to cry about it. Like I said before even if NASCAR penalized Stewart for "forcing" the 01 below the yellow line BOTH cars would have been penalized and Menard would have won. Weather you are forced down there or not if you andvance your position and do not give it back you are penalized.
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You are basically stating what the rule says. What some of us are saying is that there apparently was some understanding that "when the checker is in sight" the rule was off. There have been precedents. It is the application of the rules to suit whatever NASCAR wants that is our contention. Even Andy Petree, who is an insider thought the rule was off for the last lap, as he stated on the air.

We just want to see consistent rules enforcement. I stand by my earlier post that if Stewart had been the one below the yellow line, he would have been the winner.
 
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i was under the impression that if you were forced down there and advanced your position, you wouldn't be penalized. but if you went down there on your own and advanced your position, that was a penalty.

and yes, kudos to Smith for not having "the balls" to hold his line and finishing off the rest of the cars by wadding up the field coming to the checkered.
 
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I also agree, if NASCAR was more consistant and did not make so many judgement calls this discussion would not be happening, but then again I guess this is what they want. If the shoe was on the other foot I don't think Stewart would have won though. Maybe JR, Gordon, or Johnson but Smoke has thrown NASCAR under the bus too many times for them to make a judgement call in his favor. He would have mada a much bigger deal about it and caused more of a stir than Regen Smith and NASCAR would have loved to see the ratings from his tirade. I believe that NASCAR's rule is pretty strait foreward. Regen believed he could go down there because he could see the checkers not because he was blocked. I think they have oppertunities to ask for clairification of rules, he just chose not to and it bit him.
 
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doozer said:
i was under the impression that if you were forced down there and advanced your position, you wouldn't be penalized. but if you went down there on your own and advanced your position, that was a penalty.

and yes, kudos to Smith for not having "the balls" to hold his line and finishing off the rest of the cars by wadding up the field coming to the checkered.
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In NASCAR's opinion(the only one that really matters) Stewart was already coming down before Regen got his fender under him and he never made contact to "force" him down there. I would have to think thet 9 times out of ten any driver other than Martin or Burton would have dumped him rather than pass below the yellow line. I take that back, most of the other drivers would have been smart enough to pass on the high side.
 
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his only hope was going underneath.

and NASCAR really need to eliminate blocking. that nonsense is going to get somebody seriously hurt.
 
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doozer said:
his only hope was going underneath.

and NASCAR really need to eliminate blocking. that nonsense is going to get somebody seriously hurt.
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If he hadn't waited so late and had confidence that Menard would have pushed him he could have passed high. I don't agree with blocking either but its done at the end of just about every Dega race. But put yourself in the leader's shoes and you would probably block for the win too. I know I would.
 
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The person that should be pissed is the 19! He was ready to move but couldn't get any help. Had that happened we are having a different discussion.
 
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cd12 said:
The person that should be pissed is the 19! He was ready to move but couldn't get any help. Had that happened we are having a different discussion.
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I agree, the lack of experience of the other drivers up front really hurt him. Everybody else was too scared to get out of line.
 
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doozer said:
his only hope was going underneath.

and NASCAR really need to eliminate blocking. that nonsense is going to get somebody seriously hurt.
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Smith initially tried to go high, and Stewart blocked leaving his only chance low, and Stewart moved down to block again. By then other cars had moved in beside Smith so he was committed to either running into the back of Stewart or passing below the yellow.

Yes I would probably block too, I have actually, but I have to be honest, it should be limited to one move.
 
#46
#46
yeah, i'm definitely blocking in that case too, don't get me wrong.

i was just saying how dangerous it is and outlawed in other series like IRL and F1.
 
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doozer said:
yeah, i'm definitely blocking in that case too, don't get me wrong.

i was just saying how dangerous it is and outlawed in other series like IRL and F1.
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If I'm not out of date on this, they give the lead car one move without considering it blocking, which is what NASCAR should also do. It's much more dangerous in open wheel for the obvious reason.
 
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rbroyles said:
If I'm not out of date on this, they give the lead car one move without considering it blocking, which is what NASCAR should also do. It's much more dangerous in open wheel for the obvious reason.
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you know, honestly i've seen drivers in the IRL make moves that i thought had to be blatant blocking moves and nothing was said. and then i've seen drivers do nothing and get called in for a penalty.

regardless of it's legality, it certainly can open a can of worms, that's for sure.
 
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