What about Hamilton?

#29
#29
I can see firing Hamilton, but Pearl needs to be gone, period. If an AD comes in and decides to retain him, he's the wrong guy for the job.
 
#30
#30
Why not just just put them both in a cage match and let them battle it out on who stays....
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#32
#32
This logic makes no sense, "Pearl is the one that did the lying and the cheating but we should fire the AD." What the hell? This can end one of two ways and your suggestion is neither, Tennessee can either A. Fire Pearl and keep Hamilton or B. Fire them both. You can't keep the man who cheated/lied, issued a tearful apology, then cheated again. That would be completely ridiculous and would make the University look like a total joke. Rant over.
 
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#33
#33
Can you blink and chew at the same time haha I'm just kidding man, don't take that serious. But honestly, wouldn't you agree that the Pearl situation is just further proof that Hammy sucks? To say, "I'll leave Pearl and axe Hammy" is pretty much not holding Bruce responsible for anything. It's not like Hammy put a gun to his head. I want Hammy gone too but pretty sure they are both gone.
 
#35
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BigOrange15 said:
This logic makes no sense, "Pearl is the one that did the lying and the cheating but we should fire the AD." What the hell? This can end one of two ways and your suggestion is neither, Tennessee can either A. Fire Pearl and keep Hamilton or B. Fire them both. You can't keep the man who cheated/lied, issued a tearful apology, then cheated again. That would be completely ridiculous and would make the University look like a total joke. Rant over.
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I choose option B
 
#36
#36
Not going to work like that. Hamilton might have finally created the PR nightmare that will end his tenure.
 
#37
#37
Fire Hamilton... why say what he said 2 days before the tourney? Not fair to the players (seniors) that have busted it for 4 and some 5 yrs.
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#38
#38
kw7pd4 said:
According to everything I've heard on radio shows and articles read, MH is really taking a pounding from the fan base for the timing of the interview.
What the board is thinking, who knows.
He may have made a bed he can't lie in.
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I hope its a bed of nails.
 
#39
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All reports say the compliance dept at UT was working overtime to let Kiffin know what was right/wrong but he did his own thing anyway.


Hamilton should have fired him or put him on probation if Kif did know right from wrong and he did his own thing anyway.... Hamilton never stood up to the guy.. which is what a boss should do when his employee is acting a fool
 
#40
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PowerWookie said:
Hamilton should have fired him or put him on probation if Kif did know right from wrong and he did his own thing anyway.... Hamilton never stood up to the guy.. which is what a boss should do when his employee is acting a fool
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You act like MH condoned it. Kiffin was told he couldn't do these things and did them without anyone's knowledge. Also, what would firing him in the middle of a season have done to the football program? It's amazing how many want to heap all the blame on MH but are perfectly fine with the ones committing the violations. Coaches are grown men. You should be able to give them all the info and let them do what's right/wrong. MH failed at hiring coaches who understood that and it will cost him his job
 
#41
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utvolpj said:
You act like MH condoned it. Kiffin was told he couldn't do these things and did them without anyone's knowledge. Also, what would firing him in the middle of a season have done to the football program? It's amazing how many want to heap all the blame on MH but are perfectly fine with the ones committing the violations. Coaches are grown men. You should be able to give them all the info and let them do what's right/wrong. MH failed at hiring coaches who understood that and it will cost him his job
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You really think so PJ? I'm not so sure. I mean he's survived so many bonehead moves i think he might be a cat with 9 lives.
 
#42
#42
Cartervol said:
You really think so PJ? I'm not so sure. I mean he's survived so many bonehead moves i think he might be a cat with 9 lives.
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I just have a hard time seeing how MH saves his job this time. Maybe he's smarter than I give him credit for but the bad press he's receiving is just too much. Lots of money has gone into the bball program over the past few years and I doubt many will give MH the chance to turn it around
 
#43
#43
He reminds me of Fulmer, he's made friends with those that matter. They may have to cut the cord anyway, but to this point they've been reluctant to do so.
 
#44
#44
maybe but Fulmer was a long time UT guy with a big ring. MH doesn't have that in his pocket
 
#45
#45
utvolpj said:
Kiffin was told he couldn't do these things and did them without anyone's knowledge.
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R U sure?

utvolpj said:
amazing how many want to heap all the blame on MH but are perfectly fine with the ones committing the violations.
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I am NOT OK with the ones committing the violations


I do understand your overall point
 
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#46
#46
I'm not arguing for Hamilton to be fired one way or the other. I can see the validity in an argument from either side. It's not like all the new facilities on campus and the upgrades to Neyland and TBA were done with funding that came out of thin air. His ability to raise funds cannot just be throw the the wayside. It's a very important aspect of his tenure as the AD.

That said......if they could convince Charles Davis to be the new AD...

These national pundits, though, that bash his hiring of Kiffin and Dooley....please. Kiffin f'ed the entire university over. And on top of that, he was about the 7th choice of USC before he left. That was just a perfect storm. And I think Dooley has been great since he has gotten here. You can't say the football program is crap because of Hamilton. Fulmer certainly didn't help his last few years. The state of the football program can be compared to an economy in general. It got where it is/was because of a lot of different actions over time. I definitely believe it is moving in the right direction now, though. And Kiffin AND Dooley can both be given credit for that.

And he did nothing wrong with the Pearl hire. Pearl committed the entire violation on his own.

Hell, you can argue the work of the administration under Hamilton worked miracles to save us from big time penalties on the football side. What they did was amazing to get the NCAA to pretty much pin the entire fiasco on Kiffin thanks to all their due dilligence, especially compliance. And if you are going to blame the man at the top (ie. the AD) for what has happened, he deserves credit when he helped to save the program in many aspects.
 
#47
#47
One problem I have is how long would it take to find a new AD? If we hire a new AD to decide on a basketball coach, that will stretch out the process of hiring a coach even longer. However, it also would be odd to let Hamilton hire a coach, only to fire Hamilton anyway.

I feel like we need to at least keep one or the other, Pearl or Hamilton.
 
#48
#48
Pearl's situation has nothing to do with liking him, hating him, wins or losses and everything to do with protecting the future of basketball at UT. Fact is Bruce has put himself in a position where he can't be HC at UT because he'll be suspended for year(s) and the program would receive major sanctions.
 
#50
#50
Hammy will be gone and should be gone. The decision is whether or not Pearl is let go. The powers at be have been pissed at Hamilton for awhile and this straw just broke the camel's back.
 
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