What do you hope to see/learn in these foreign games?

[Vol49er]

Tobe 6 TOs

Mashack 10 steals, 12 assists

JJJ 24 FG attempts, 3-15 from 3 but 6-9 weren’t 3s. ZERO free throw attempts. In 59 minutes. Too much settling for 3s, but scoring isn’t his role. Hopefully the 15 3s weren’t being forced.

Mashack with 12 assists with just 1 turnover stood out to me

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

One stat that I wish was easy to find is drawing fouls. Free throw attempts is the closest measure. But I’d like to see who is good at putting fouls on opposing players. I would guess that Uros drew a lot of fouls before he pretty much had to sit down as soon as TN was in the bonus.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

IMO his 3-point attempts versus 2-point attempts stat is skewed because he’s just not an offensive oriented player. If he’s left alone then he’ll have to put up some 3s. He’s not looking to score, but if opponents dare him he’ll have to put up some 3s.

His role on offense might be more to find open teammates and to pull opposing 4s and big 3s away from the paint. He’s only scored 20+ 4x in 108 games. But another odd offensive stat: 79 assists as a freshman yet only 55, 51, and 44 in the last 3 years. I suppose that that is related to having Chandler and ZZ at the PG.

He was 8th in minutes played last year, yet 5th in FGA, he led the team in FGA per minutes played. For someone who’s not looking to score, or that his role is to find open teammates he should never be leading the team in FGA per minutes played.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

He was 8th in minutes played last year, yet 5th in FGA, he led the team in FGA per minutes played. For someone who’s not looking to score, or that his role is to find open teammates he should never be leading the team in FGA per minutes played.

You have to take what defenses give you. SV was often shut down. Key only hit 34% of his FGAs. ZZ couldn’t finish at the rim. Mashack didn’t see the floor a lot until late. Phillips wouldn’t assert himself. Aidoo and Tobe couldn’t step up. JJJ had to take shots.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

IMO his 3-point attempts versus 2-point attempts stat is skewed because he’s just not an offensive oriented player. If he’s left alone then he’ll have to put up some 3s. He’s not looking to score, but if opponents dare him he’ll have to put up some 3s.

His role on offense might be more to find open teammates and to pull opposing 4s and big 3s away from the paint. He’s only scored 20+ 4x in 108 games. But another odd offensive stat: 79 assists as a freshman yet only 55, 51, and 44 in the last 3 years. I suppose that that is related to having Chandler and ZZ at the PG.

Statistically speaking the bold isn't true, not in his last 2 seasons as an upperclassmen. He is not an efficient offensive player is more accurate and his willingness to simply take jumpers is part of that issue.

This year he was 2nd on the team in FGAs behind only Santi. Last year JJJ was 3rd on the team behind KC and Santi. His Freshmen & Sophmore season he had far less attempts per game though. But we had more offensive first options, Bowden, Turner, Santi, Fulky, Springer, and Keon.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Statistically speaking the bold isn't true, not in his last 2 seasons as an upperclassmen. He is not an efficient offensive player is more accurate and his willingness to simply take jumpers is part of that issue.

This year he was 2nd on the team in FGAs behind only Santi. Last year JJJ was 3rd on the team behind KC and Santi. His Freshmen & Sophmore season he had far less attempts per game though. But we had more offensive first options, Bowden, Turner, Santi, Fulky, Springer, and Keon.

He doesn’t look to score. He is forced to try when few others are capable. Therefore he’s not offensive oriented. I don’t define taking a lot of shots as being offensive oriented.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He doesn’t look to score. He is forced to try when few others are capable. Therefore he’s not offensive oriented. I don’t define taking a lot of shots as being offensive oriented.

I disagree with you on how you define offensive oriented.

Either way I think we both agree we want to see JJJ shooting less often.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You have to take what defenses give you. SV was often shut down. Key only hit 34% of his FGAs. ZZ couldn’t finish at the rim. Mashack didn’t see the floor a lot until late. Phillips wouldn’t assert himself. Aidoo and Tobe couldn’t step up. JJJ had to take shots.

Ok

 

[Willy14]

Probably attributed to 15 of his 24 shots coming from the three-pt line, only making 3 of them. He's going to have to be better than that, or stop shooting. We have too many good shooters to allow one cold one to shoot us out of games when the games count.

Yup, he doesn’t need to be option 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc…Mashack is similar but seems to understand that/his role better than JJJ. Both guys need to be small ball 4’s who do the dirty work, are defensive pests, and defer to 4 other guys on the court offensively.

This is one of the reasons some people were ready to move on from JJJ. I wasn't one of those that wanted to move on necessarily, but he definitely cannot take that many threes and miss them like that. We have a lot better options for taking that shot than him now. I agree with Chris, got to do better or stop shooting. Can't let JJJ shoot us out of games.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

JJJ was 6th in minutes played on our foreign trip and 4th in FGA, took more shots then Vescovi, clearly he thinks he’s an offensively oriented player.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

This is one of the reasons some people were ready to move on from JJJ. I wasn't one of those that wanted to move on necessarily, but he definitely cannot take that many threes and miss them like that. We have a lot better options for taking that shot than him now. I agree with Chris, got to do better or stop shooting. Can't let JJJ shoot us out of games.

I wanted him back and glad he’s here, but know your role and dial it down…he was the 2nd worst fg% and 3pt% on the team over those 3 games, that’s among 10 scholarship players, yet took the 4th most shots.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Last year JJJ was somewhat of the only option as a big guard. This year Knecht, Freddie, and DJ (and Cam Carr if he doesn’t redshirt) are alternatives.

 

[sburkevols]

I disagree with you on how you define offensive oriented.

Either way I think we both agree we want to see JJJ shooting less often.

I think he needs to take better shots, which is maybe a nicer way of saying it.

 

[The Dog]

Grant Ramey combined all three games of stats. (not the best formatting, I realize)

Jordan Gainey: 68:14, 13-33 FG, 9-23 3FG, 3-3 FT, 1 offensive rebound, 4 defensive rebounds, 5 total rebounds, 38 points, 7 assists, 4 turnovers, 2 steals, 0 blocks
Freddie Dilione V: 66:19, 13-33 FG, 3-13 3FG, 4-6 FT, 2-6 8 rebounds, 33 points, 16 assists, 6 turnovers, 7 steals, 0 blocks
Dalton Knecht: 65:01, 18-34 FG, 12-25 3FG, 1-2 FT, 3-6 9 rebounds, 49 points, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, 4 steals, 3 blocks
Jahmai Mashack: 62:39, 9-20 FG, 2-5 3FG, 4-4 FT, 4-5 9 rebounds, 24 points, 12 assists, 1 turnover, 10 steals, 1block
Santiago Vescovi: 61:47. 11-20 FG, 10-18 3FG, 4-4 FT, 0-8 8 rebounds, 36 points, 15 assists, 2 turnovers, 6 steals, 1 blocks
Josiah-Jordan James: 59:23, 9-24 FG, 3-15 3FG, 0-0 FT, 2-12 14 rebounds, 21 points,, 7 assists, 3 turnovers, 4 steals, 2 blocks
Tobe Awaka: 51:24, 16-20 FG, 0-0 3FG, 8-14 FT, 15-16 31 rebounds, 41 points, 3 assists, 6 turnovers, 3 steals, 3 blocks
Jonas Aidoo: 47:58, 10-22 FG, 0-3 3FG, 8-8 FT, 26 rebounds, 28 points, 2 assists, 0 turnovers, 6 steals, 6 blocks
DJ Jefferson: 46:28, 8-25 FG, 2-13 3FG, 3-3 FT, 1-4 5 rebounds, 21 points, 6 assists, 2 turnovers, 5 steals, 3 blocks
JP Estrella: 49:03, 7-11 FG, 0-0 3FG, 2-3 FT, 14-5 19 rebounds, 16 points, 2 assists, 4 turnovers, 2 steals, 0 blocks

DJ's stats besides the shooting are pretty good. Well, 5 rebounds is not great, but the other defensive stats are not bad (5 steals snd 3 blocks) with only 2 turnovers. Plus, DJ can electrify the crowd at TBA, at any time

 

[Col_Cathcart]

JJJ was 6th in minutes played on our foreign trip and 4th in FGA, took more shots then Vescovi, clearly he thinks he’s an offensively oriented player.

To be fair, SV seemed to be actively avoiding shooting that first game. I think he only took 2 shots. Between the small sample size and the bad competition, you’re going to get some funkiness. Not sure you can read much into it.

Lithuania especially was just daring whoever was playing the 4 to take those corner 3s too. They basically didn’t defend that shot at all so the guy standing in the corner ends up with a lot of attempts

 

[jaguinn5]

Not sure you can take much away from these games. Its kind of like the Rocky Top League (which I still miss).

 

[Willy14]

I wanted him back and glad he’s here, but know your role and dial it down…he was the 2nd worst fg% and 3pt% on the team over those 3 games, that’s among 10 scholarship players, yet took the 4th most shots.

Totally agree, you gotta think Barnes and the staff will see what we are seeing and try to at least discuss it right? I really appreciate that he is back and glad he is here as well. Great leader and VFL

 

[bleedingTNorange]

To be fair, SV seemed to be actively avoiding shooting that first game. I think he only took 2 shots. Between the small sample size and the bad competition, you’re going to get some funkiness. Not sure you can read much into it.

Lithuania especially was just daring whoever was playing the 4 to take those corner 3s too. They basically didn’t defend that shot at all so the guy standing in the corner ends up with a lot of attempts

If you can’t hit 35+% that’s a great defensive strategy

 

[CAVPUT]

You have to take what defenses give you. SV was often shut down. Key only hit 34% of his FGAs. ZZ couldn’t finish at the rim. Mashack didn’t see the floor a lot until late. Phillips wouldn’t assert himself. Aidoo and Tobe couldn’t step up. JJJ had to take shots.

While I know we can't really take much away from this trip, I'm encouraged that this rebuilt roster might have answers to all the problems you mentioned in your post. Might not be the most talented roster Barnes has had, but it might be the deepest.